Iv been waiting for this since I was 7

[abbott]

“Overall, I think things went relatively smoothly,” said Denver Police spokesman Sonny Jackson, citing “thousands” of marijuana users toking up in the Centennial State — the first place in the U.S. where buying a joint is completely legal.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/colorado-pot-tours-grow-weed-article-1.1566673#ixzz2pWtTw0Iu

[TurdBerglar]

potheads are the worst people to work with

[abbott]

well since I was 7 is not what I meant, since the 7th grade, when I got busted smoking a joint on the playground.

Anyway, its not for everybody.

Try working for a pothead.

I think the pot is fine, its when you mix it with drinking that it is a problem, at least for me.

[Dorothy Wood]

Turd, annoying potheads aren't as common as annoying drunks. A hungover person is way less productive.

Anyway, people shouldn't be on substances while they're working. And moderation is key, as with everything.

[checkyourprez]

well since I was 7 is not what I meant, since the 7th grade, when I got busted smoking a joint on the playground.



stoner couldn't even get the title right

:rolleyes:

[TurdBerglar]

Turd, annoying potheads aren't as common as annoying drunks. A hungover person is way less productive.

it's easier to get away with being high than drunk while being at work. it's not as easily detected unless they reek. there seems to be much more potheads than there were before or it just annoys me more. people that smoke weed constantly are lethargic, dim any lack and sense of urgency unless they're weird and paranoid. always like.... uhhhhhhhh. fucking hate them.

people just fucking smoke weed walking down the street now. at least around here. or while sitting on their front porches in front of their kids. go to a very public park and people are just sitting on the benches passing a joint around as if it's no big deal. what's gonna happen when this shit eventually becomes totally legal? the smoke everyday potheads suck. they're impossible to talk to.

[Dorothy Wood]

yeah, people use it wrong.

[TurdBerglar]

nothing wrong with smoking/drinking every once in a while. it's just the people that make it a vital and frequent point of their lifestyle. it makes them so dull and useless.

[Lyman Zerga]

im not anti weed anymore, more like the opposite now
thanks a lot california!

[checkyourprez]

like whatever dog. there are fucking annoying dumb people i deal with every day that are not high. sure the highness can bring it on in some people but its their life they can do what they want.

[abbott]

not sure why, but it has been a life style. I always wanted to prove potheads are not criminals. growing up with Reagan I guess.

Anyway, I would always smoke a fat joint before major events just to say I did it. Like the time I interviewed for the position with the Chief of the Intelligence Committee in DC, showed up high as a kite and got the job. I smelled good though. But I almost could not find the meeting and got there with seconds to spear. Anyway, I was pretty fucking stupid and I have very slowly been coming out of it. The weed was not the problem.

[YoungRemy]

wow, yeah abbott I don't think you are helping any cause here.

that makes literally no sense.

go to a very public park and people are just sitting on the benches passing a joint around as if it's no big deal. what's gonna happen when this shit eventually becomes totally legal?

well, what do you think will happen? is it really that big of a deal what a grown adult chooses to smoke in the park?

besides the pungent odor, how is it any different than someone lighting up a cigarette?

I don't think that will be the downfall of our society at the end of the day.

to sum everything up- I agree with David Cross on the matter. pot is alright in my book. pot culture and 'everyday stoners" are an embarrassment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHvoxxd3tAg

nothing wrong with smoking/drinking every once in a while. it's just the people that make it a vital and frequent point of their lifestyle. it makes them so dull and useless.


I'm going to agree with this. too many potheads let marijuana become their entire identity.

[Guy Incognito]

I smoke a lot, not as much as i used to but more than average. I have some things to say about this thread as i feel qualified to talk about everyday stoners and making it a focal point and the characterstics and perceptions of what marajuana users are like but i just cant be bothered:rolleyes:

[TurdBerglar]

well, what do you think will happen? is it really that big of a deal what a grown adult chooses to smoke in the park?

besides the pungent odor, how is it any different than someone lighting up a cigarette?

I don't think that will be the downfall of our society at the end of the day.

to sum everything up- I agree with David Cross on the matter. pot is alright in my book. pot culture and 'everyday stoners" are an embarrassment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHvoxxd3tAg

what im saying is that it's already very accessible. make it legal and those adults smoking in the park will also be grammar school kids because it will be even more accessible. it's going to be cigarettes all over again. a ten year old smoking cigarettes in the 60's and 70's wasn't really all that of a shock compare to today. nearly everyone smoked. we had to make big changes to our ideas and culture to stop smoking. smoking is horrible for you. we had to create a stigma about it so people would get the hint. you're probably more likely to see some kid smoking a joint than a cigarette today. legalize it and it's going to be even more probable. no one needs that. then we'll have to create another stigma about it all over again.

constant weed smoking makes people really cloudy, dim and dull. we don't need any more cloudy, dim and dull people.

have you ever met someone who smoked a ton of weed all throughout middle school/high school? they're like permanently slightly retarded in a very specific way. you know immediately they were/are potheads because they have very specific cognition/personality problems. we don't need more of those people.

[abbott]

I know my literal truth is hard to get.

I did not just get the job in DC I was begged to stay.

Remember me on top of the capital? Who does that shit? I made myself laugh, it was good.

[YoungRemy]

Turd-if it is already very accessible via the black market, why would anything change once it becomes legal?

are you trying to pretend kids can't already get it whenever and wherever they want?

there already are middle school and high school kids smoking pot daily. they get it illegally.

the answer to your question- the kids are still going to get it illegally, regardless if 50 states made it legal for adults.


it's like some sort of Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy- we KNOW it is very accessible. instead of arresting people, we should allow consenting adults to make those choices for themselves.

and then they need to educate their damn children on their own about it.

the pothead teen down the block isn't my responsibility.

[TurdBerglar]

it's going to be EVEN more accessible. the social stigma around it will be lessoned.

I feel if it eventually becomes pretty much how booze is handled it's going to be everywhere. it might be more prevalent than drinking.


I grew up around this kinda shit(regular drinking and smoking). so I have very negative feelings towards it after seeing what it can do to people that get sucked into that lifestyle. it just makes people..... dumb, boring, lethargic, complacent and a little nutty with bad decision making skills if they do it enough. I don't think that environment should be more accessible and common place.

[ms.peachy]

People make choices.

[Lyman Zerga]

it's like some sort of Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy- we KNOW it is very accessible. instead of arresting people, we should allow consenting adults to make those choices for themselves.


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[Guy Incognito]

making it legal or tolerated will help everyone.

Being illegal, there is less education on use and dangers. I think having it more in open will mean more information for users/parents/everyone and i think users will be more knowledgable about safer usage of a drug.

I come from a generation where not all the dangers and negative points of marajuana use were relatively unknown or not talked about. Some of that generation have had to learn the hard way about doing too much or talking too much about it and generating perceptions.

[TurdBerglar]

it seems you guys are thinking about only the responsible people(yourselves?) who can handle this type of shit. there's whole communities that just plain suck and are irresponsible. WHOLE COMMUNITIES. they don't work don't go to school and live off the dole. we give them food stamps, ebt,, section 8 housing and now inexpensive/free healthcare. we make it so they're totally dependent on the government and can't do anything for themselves. our society has (unintentionally?) kept them this way. they have no incentive to stop living this way. they raise their (many many)kids as if this is how you just live. their kids(who start off pure) barely have a fighting chance. they could have been productive members of society if we didn't enable this type of behavior. now lets increase the already prevalent chronic weed smoking that goes along with the alcoholism within these INCREASING communities by 10/20/30 percent...

we're enabling this type of lifestyle. no need to make it worse right now by adding even more easily available weed because a handful of people want to get a little legally buzzed after work. now is not the time around HERE. I have no clue what it's like around where any of you guys live.

[abbott]

good weed is better than cheap chemicals that truly fuck you up.

Access to good weed will eliminate many people from going to BS some guy made in his bathtub.

I have seen it, good kids looking for weed in all the wrong places and at the end of the day settle for some bathtub BS.

My guess is that these communities you speak of are not smoking good weed.

Often the weed has been dosed in chemicals to cover the smell and those chemicals are a game changer. Again, not good weed.

It is very possible that never smoking is the best idea. If you dont do it dont start.

[Dorothy Wood]

Drug use isn't the problem though, it's a symptom of the problem.

Keeping drugs illegal allows the prison industry to profit. The alcohol industry too. There's a reason drugs were stigmatized, so certain industries could profit and so certain communities could be more easily incarcerated. It's a deeper issue than just the worry of having extra dumbasses to contend with.

[checkyourprez]

it seems you guys are thinking about only the responsible people(yourselves?) who can handle this type of shit. there's whole communities that just plain suck and are irresponsible. WHOLE COMMUNITIES. they don't work don't go to school and live off the dole. we give them food stamps, ebt,, section 8 housing and now inexpensive/free healthcare. we make it so they're totally dependent on the government and can't do anything for themselves. our society has (unintentionally?) kept them this way. they have no incentive to stop living this way. they raise their (many many)kids as if this is how you just live. their kids(who start off pure) barely have a fighting chance. they could have been productive members of society if we didn't enable this type of behavior. now lets increase the already prevalent chronic weed smoking that goes along with the alcoholism within these INCREASING communities by 10/20/30 percent...

we're enabling this type of lifestyle. no need to make it worse right now by adding even more easily available weed because a handful of people want to get a little legally buzzed after work. now is not the time around HERE. I have no clue what it's like around where any of you guys live.


there is not one single person in these communities you speak of that do not have access to / cannot smoke week at any given second of the day whenever they want in its current "illegal" state.

[Lyman Zerga]

weed kinda reminds me of the coffee situation... first it was the devil but they are finding out more and more that it prevents or even cures illnesses

it will never cure my husband's 10 year old open fracture pains but it helps him dealing better with it and i truly believe weed is healthier for you than taking pain killers all the time...


im fine with legalizing it for everyone (especially medical reasons) for the above posts reasons and still MUCH healthier than regular cigarettes

[checkyourprez]

weed kinda reminds me of the coffee situation... first it was the devil but they are finding out more and more that it prevents or even cures illnesses

it will never cure my husband's 10 year old open fracture pains but it helps him dealing better with it and i truly believe weed is healthier for you than taking pain killers all the time...


im fine with legalizing it for everyone (especially medical reasons) for the above posts reasons and still MUCH healthier than regular cigarettes

fer sho doe.

[TurdBerglar]

Drug use isn't the problem though, it's a symptom of the problem.

Keeping drugs illegal allows the prison industry to profit. The alcohol industry too. There's a reason drugs were stigmatized, so certain industries could profit and so certain communities could be more easily incarcerated. It's a deeper issue than just the worry of having extra dumbasses to contend with.


once those problems get addressed maybe we can start legalizing.


I find it weird how people find something that can be as potentially damaging as drinking and drug use as a necessity. it's a fucking luxury leisure activity! there's people in my family that grew up with a real shit childhood because their parent(s) were all about getting fucked up. they hung out with people that were all about getting fucked up. these kids were constantly around these types of people. I don't see why that situation should be made any more accessible and accepted by any degree no matter how small because some people just wanna have a bit of fun. it's silly. I know the real root of the problem is just irresponsible people doing shit things. sometimes you gotta take those people into consideration. no kid should grow up in that environment. I had so many friends and some cousins that grew up in that environment. it's so sad how it fucks kids up. it's grimy.

now would those kids have an even worse childhood if drinking and drug use was even more controlled by the government? I don't know. maybe yes maybe no.

[Guy Incognito]

^ I would hope that the level of education about usage and misuse would increase of it was legalized which can only be a good thing but i also would fear that advertising and profit would get in the way of that.

[Dorothy Wood]

The drug use is just a part of the cycle of hopelessness and the shame of poverty. It's like people think consciously or subconciously, "I'm a bad person so who cares what I do." when the lawyer or CEO getting wasted on all kinds of substances just considers drug use a part of social life. it's a matter of status and lack of status. And keeping people out of jail is a step in the right direction. Just letting the black market flourish is irresponsible. People are weak, they want to escape with substances and they always have. It's about being honest.

[TurdBerglar]

The drug use is just a part of the cycle of hopelessness and the shame of poverty. It's like people think consciously or subconciously, "I'm a bad person so who cares what I do."


I totally agree with this.

it seems that we allow or (unintentionally?)encourage people to stay like that. or just aren't very concerned with it because they're of a lower class. there seems to have been gradual changes in our mindset allowing people to stay in that mindset because we've been gradually holding people to lower standards. thinking we're actually helping people. this whole topic is one of those small incremental gradual changes.

[ms.peachy]

it seems that we allow or (unintentionally?)encourage people to stay like that. or just aren't very concerned with it because they're of a lower class. there seems to have been gradual changes in our mindset allowing people to stay in that mindset because we've been gradually holding people to lower standards. thinking we're actually helping people. this whole topic is one of those small incremental gradual changes.

I get where you are coming from Turd and understand what you mean about encouraging dependency on 'the system'. My feeling though is that making marijuana use/possession etc a crime is that it absolutely perpetuates that system, basically pipe-lining young, poor, predominantly minority men (and some women too of course) straight from school into prison. And there's a hell of a lot of really negative fallout from that, and not much in the way of positive return on investment.

[TurdBerglar]

you really think legalizing is really going to keep people out of prison? you don't think people are just going to move on to some other illegal get rich quick scheme? most people aren't going to prison for use. they're going to prison for large scale selling.

[YoungRemy]

forget prison.

we're talking about low level street arrests. hundreds of thousands per year.
wasted police money and wasted tax dollars to process them through the criminal justice system for walking down the street with a joint.

then they go through probation. then they have a criminal record and have difficulty finding a job.

for a joint.


and let's stop focusing on your one poor community that you think represents the rest of the country. this happens in EVERY community.


the only difference between all those people arrested in the last 20 years and the last three presidents of the US is that- those presidents didn't get caught and those college kids or poor kids or regular going responsible citizens did.

[TurdBerglar]

or we could just all agree that substance abuse is a bad thing. like I said earlier people treat this shit as if it's a necessity. it's a fucking toy! like those weird gun nuts that think they should have the right to own advanced military assault weapons.

there's plenty of things we seem to all agree upon that are potentially bad for society and they're illegal. seat belts and cell phone use in cars for example. no one is going apeshit over that. we all agree and nod that we should all wear our seatbelts and not screw around on our cellphones while driving. are we going to prison for violating those things? no we're not. should we go to prison for smoking a joint? probably not. why do we not agree that substance abuse is not as potentially damaging as a fucking seat belt? because doing those other things isn't fun???

trans fats - we hate it!

asbestos - we hate it!

potentially cancer causing agents in our food - we hate it!(unless it's booze and other dugs...)

peanut products in schools - we hate it!

loud motorcycles and cars - we hate it!

these things we all agree should be done with. why can't we all agree that substance abuse should be done with? it's just weird how people think about this shit as if it's a fucking requirement for their lives.

[YoungRemy]

so , we should go back to alcohol prohibition according to what you are saying?

[TurdBerglar]

it would be nice if we could handle it. but we can't because we're assholes.

[checkyourprez]

just because you know some people who couldn't handle their shit doesnt mean everyone cant.


and you also act like its only poor people.


everyone of all socioeconomic classes, across cultures and throughout history does drugs bro, hate to break it to you.


should we ban junk food and pop? its not good for people, kids can get fat, get made fun of, ruin their self esteem, cause them to have shitty lives. right?


:confused:

[Dorothy Wood]

Some of the most successful people I know used to be into heavy drinking and drug use. Pills, heroin and meth will get ya, but the other stuff is pretty normal if you're a party person. It's not good to blast your brains out with chemicals all the time, but our brains have a lot of crazy thoughts and sometimes it's fun to draw them out.

Man I dunno, when I was younger, staying up all night with my brahs just out of our minds on booze and weed was so great. Just talking bullshit. We've got deep bonds from it. Everyone wants to push limits, and if you get through them, you feel more in control. It's not for everyone.

[TurdBerglar]

just because you know some people who couldn't handle their shit doesnt mean everyone cant.


and you also act like its only poor people.


everyone of all socioeconomic classes, across cultures and throughout history does drugs bro, hate to break it to you.


should we ban junk food and pop? its not good for people, kids can get fat, get made fun of, ruin their self esteem, cause them to have shitty lives. right?


:confused:

some people? you're acting like it's just a small problem. you're acting like it's just some simple fun totally harmless activity.

most people can handle driving with ease. should we find it acceptable to allow people to drive like maniacs because most might be good at it? lets let assholes street race their porches and ferraris on the highways because only a few people will crash and cause havoc. right....

what is it about booze and drugs that so many people feel is an acceptable risk? we force people to wear motorcycle helmets in most states when they take their bikes out on the weekend. most of us nod in agreement that it's a good idea. somebody wants to get drunk or high on the weekends? hey, it's ok! why is a helmetless rider more of a concern than a bunch of kids getting smashed?

you guys are so concerned about A LEISURE ACTIVITY that can potentially be very ruining.

so what if it's been that way for a long time. there's plenty of things we've stopped finding acceptable because we've realized they're not all that great for us.

no shit substance abuse is done all across the board. but different socio-economic classes are more susceptible to it's affects than others. they have less of a buffer zone and resources to deal with it and it helps to keep them from succeeding. it seems like if something is a detriment to the lower classes nobody gives a shit. instead we just quietly and indirectly encourage them to stay lower class so everyone else can have some fun. but that's another whole topic entirely.

[Dorothy Wood]

I'm not in favor of complete legalization because I understand if states or communities want to keep it illegal. I'm in favor of decriminalization. It's just a basic fact that minorities are disproportionately incarcerated for minor offenses. White teens get high all the time and get away with it. Cops admit that they troll impoverished neighborhoods just stopping people under the guise of stopping the big crimes.

You will never get rid of bad decisions. Just be realistic. Drugs are a part of human existence. We all have the urge to tempt death.

[TurdBerglar]

im in favor of decriminalization too. i just don't understand why we collectively feel the ways we feel about booze and drugs. it's very interesting to me. we all seem to agree to hate some things that seem insignificant compared to substance abuse. why are we more in favor of the right to casual substance abuse compared to some things that seem much less damaging and just as controlling of our rights?

i feel that's a massive question.

[checkyourprez]

what is substance abuse?


you never addressed that point. is eating pizza for every meal substance abuse?

[TurdBerglar]

if you wanna go for that far of a reeeaaaach, sure, it's substance abuse. should we try to convince people to not eat garbage? yes we should.

i personally would enjoy it if horrible unhealthy food was banned. it would be even better if everyone had the will power to not eat themselves to death on their own without any type of governing. if you don't leave people to their own devices though, then no one is gonna have a chance to learn responsibility. that's probably how you feel about drinking and smoking. that the responsibility should be left to the individual. but there's plenty of other things that we feel shouldn't be left to the responsibility of the individual. when do we make that distinction of leaving the responsibility with the individual?

[Dorothy Wood]

Drugs and alcohol fuel creativity and bonding. They also break down self consciousness. Soft drugs are pleasurable for most humans. People don't want to give that up, even if they agree that being sober is best.

As for junk food, I don't think it should be banned, but I think the marketing of junk food should be regulated. Stop making it seem normal to eat a bunch of chemical garbage. Life is better without it. But you can't force people to stop eating crap.

[TurdBerglar]

alcohol doesn't fuel shit for me. maybe that's why I don't see the big deal. it just makes me sit there blankly. completely turns my brain off. im already pretty goofy and silly and weird and loose and laid back. it just does the complete opposite to me.

[checkyourprez]

if you wanna go for that far of a reeeaaaach, sure, it's substance abuse. should we try to convince people to not eat garbage? yes we should.

i personally would enjoy it if horrible unhealthy food was banned. it would be even better if everyone had the will power to not eat themselves to death on their own without any type of governing. if you don't leave people to their own devices though, then no one is gonna have a chance to learn responsibility. that's probably how you feel about drinking and smoking. that the responsibility should be left to the individual. but there's plenty of other things that we feel shouldn't be left to the responsibility of the individual. when do we make that distinction of leaving the responsibility with the individual?

i think you should look into a time machine, hit up Germany late 1930's. I think you'd fit right in..


:p