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Kid Presentable
05-19-2014, 09:00 AM
I hope it never happens. Not now, not in 25 years. Not ever.
Doesn't need to be said, but I just watched that MJ thing and I don't like it. It was kinda novel with Pac but even that was pretty macabre.
Thankfully there's no precedent for such outlandish fuckery from the Beastie Boys.
Guy Incognito
05-19-2014, 11:48 AM
I hope it never happens. Not now, not in 25 years. Not ever.
Doesn't need to be said, but I just watched that MJ thing and I don't like it. It was kinda novel with Pac but even that was pretty macabre.
Thankfully there's no precedent for such outlandish fuckery from the Beastie Boys.
apparently queen rejected the same hologram tech that was used for tupac. but then they still went on the road with someone else.
as for the beastie boys, the only thing suggested so far that i would even think about is:
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3j607kXVw1qjqa71o1_500.jpg
Michelle*s_Farm
05-19-2014, 04:12 PM
apparently queen rejected the same hologram tech that was used for tupac. but then they still went on the road with someone else.
as for the beastie boys, the only thing suggested so far that i would even think about is:
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3j607kXVw1qjqa71o1_500.jpg
Beastie heads could work. I would also be fine with a clone. That MJ hologram was really lame and uncomfortable to watch. Maybe a young Michael hologram in The Jackson Five would be better?
Micodin
05-19-2014, 05:26 PM
Computers and technology are truly taking things over.
M|X|Y
05-19-2014, 06:06 PM
i think its kind of okay in theory for a special event, but i couldn't be down for this becoming a whole thing. Michael Jackson would've gone out of his way to make this better and more spectacular if he'd been involved, say he had grown too old to perform anymore. The stand-in dancer they used wasn't even close to good and everything about the "performance" was mediocre - it's just not Michael Jackson and it cheapens his genius.
It is, though, kind of a nice way to introduce new audiences to something they may've missed - and get them to go back and check out the authentic work.
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with using technology like this to celebrate something we can't have anymore. I really liked the Beatles Guitar Hero game, which shared some aspects of the hologram performance thing. It's an extremely well done experience with some Franken-video and Franken-songs as part of it, but it doesn't come close to adding anything of true substance to the Beatles' catalog ...it was just fun. I remember reading concerns that games like that cheapened musicianship and rock music. I'd say Guitar Hero did more harm than good in that sense.
It's kind of a cool way for some people to relive a once real experience in the realest way possible (for now). A lot of the enjoyment at live events is about a communal experience. You don't really get to watch every move your performer makes anyway - - but it doesn't matter. It's about the whole shabang.
The hologram thing is a bit too masturbatory to be something people buy tickets to. Until we're able to channel Michael Jackson's consciousness from the ether though a usb and into a video editing program, a hologram performance is more like watching a really good impersonator with michael jackson's team behind him.
Michelle*s_Farm
05-20-2014, 01:52 AM
i think its kind of okay in theory for a special event, but i couldn't be down for this becoming a whole thing. Michael Jackson would've gone out of his way to make this better and more spectacular if he'd been involved, say he had grown too old to perform anymore. The stand-in dancer they used wasn't even close to good and everything about the "performance" was mediocre - it's just not Michael Jackson and it cheapens his genius.
It is, though, kind of a nice way to introduce new audiences to something they may've missed - and get them to go back and check out the authentic work.
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with using technology like this to celebrate something we can't have anymore. I really liked the Beatles Guitar Hero game, which shared some aspects of the hologram performance thing. It's an extremely well done experience with some Franken-video and Franken-songs as part of it, but it doesn't come close to adding anything of true substance to the Beatles' catalog ...it was just fun. I remember reading concerns that games like that cheapened musicianship and rock music. I'd say Guitar Hero did more harm than good in that sense.
It's kind of a cool way for some people to relive a once real experience in the realest way possible (for now). A lot of the enjoyment at live events is about a communal experience. You don't really get to watch every move your performer makes anyway - - but it doesn't matter. It's about the whole shabang.
The hologram thing is a bit too masturbatory to be something people buy tickets to. Until we're able to channel Michael Jackson's consciousness from the ether though a usb and into a video editing program, a hologram performance is more like watching a really good impersonator with michael jackson's team behind him.
Interesting post and issues raised. There is little doubt that computer scientists will want to be able to create a hologram that (a) is enjoyable; and (b) convincing. In theory it would be possible if you had a pre-exiting library of the artist's 3D body / 3D face scans with motion-capture data (see link below to how good data acquisition for 3D motion data can be). Then the programmers could use this collection of information to create a new composite of past performances. Artificial intelligence folks could get involved as well but they would probably need some idea about the decisions the artist would gave made (spontaneous and otherwise) during a live performance.
http://youtu.be/8ZHtXPqCSc0
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