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Kid Presentable 10-20-2011 04:20 PM
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It's a funny thought that responsible parenting will include teaching one's kids about good hip-hop. (y)

cj hood 10-20-2011 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Kid Presentable (Post 1775481)
He's probably the best rapper living.
did Rakim die?

Kid Presentable 10-20-2011 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by cj hood (Post 1775628)
did Rakim die?
His spark did.

smith7800 10-20-2011 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kid Presentable (Post 1775629)
His spark did.
Haha. Booya

pm0ney 10-20-2011 07:18 PM
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Most great rappers are still alive. Kid's right though, Eminem still has the skrillz to pay the thrillz.

smith7800 10-20-2011 07:50 PM
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Kid's also right that most great rappers have lost their spark. The Beasties are kind of a different thing though. They are great entertainers... MC's as they like to say.

Brother McDuff 10-21-2011 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pm0ney (Post 1775633)
Most great rappers are still alive. Kid's right though, Eminem still has the skrillz to pay the thrillz.

well, he's got the humility to play the pop game. that's something I don't think Rakim is too interested in. I can respect both sides of that coin, though I'd be far more inclined to cue up a Rakim record than an Eminem one anyday. that's just me though.

pm0ney 10-21-2011 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother McDuff (Post 1775691)
well, he's got the humility to play the pop game. that's something I don't think Rakim is too interested in. I can respect both sides of that coin, though I'd be far more inclined to cue up a Rakim record than an Eminem one anyday. that's just me though.
Agreed.

RudimentalDave 10-23-2011 01:23 PM
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This is sweet.

MCAadROCKMiKEd7 10-23-2011 09:44 PM
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This reminded me, (This isnt against Eminem personally) The other day I was with my old brother (20) and his best friend (19) and his friend said "Eminem and Paul Wall are the two top best white rappers we've ever had." and my brother comes back with "I absolutely disagree with that." His friend was pretty confident he was right so my brother had to say "Paul Wall is a joke, how about the beastie boys?" etc, and sat there and spread it all out for his buddy, many details of the beastie boys career, how he's seen their lyrics be stolen by bunk ass rappers, it was satisfying to see.

Lex Diamonds 10-25-2011 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MCAadROCKMiKEd7 (Post 1775792)
This reminded me, (This isnt against Eminem personally) The other day I was with my old brother (20) and his best friend (19) and his friend said "Eminem and Paul Wall are the two top best white rappers we've ever had." and my brother comes back with "I absolutely disagree with that." His friend was pretty confident he was right so my brother had to say "Paul Wall is a joke, how about the beastie boys?" etc, and sat there and spread it all out for his buddy, many details of the beastie boys career, how he's seen their lyrics be stolen by bunk ass rappers, it was satisfying to see.
To be fair I don't think B-Boys lyrics are tech enough to be stolen per se, when they're repeated by "bunk ass rappers" (ie Redman, Xzibit, Weezy) it's generally in homage.

carlson.213 10-25-2011 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MCAadROCKMiKEd7 (Post 1775792)
This reminded me, (This isnt against Eminem personally) The other day I was with my old brother (20) and his best friend (19) and his friend said "Eminem and Paul Wall are the two top best white rappers we've ever had." and my brother comes back with "I absolutely disagree with that." His friend was pretty confident he was right so my brother had to say "Paul Wall is a joke, how about the beastie boys?" etc, and sat there and spread it all out for his buddy, many details of the beastie boys career, how he's seen their lyrics be stolen by bunk ass rappers, it was satisfying to see.
this is the first time i have seen paul wall brought up in here. i have recently become a fan of his after ignoring his stuff for so long because of all the pop tunes he does put out. he does have a few decent tracks that kill.

ive noticed that he has brought back that analogy fused rhyme routine that seems to be fading out.

also, i have never been a fan of lil wayne but did anyone agree that the intro, interlude and outro to his latest album featuring bun b, tech nine, nas, and outkast were off the hook?

MCAadROCKMiKEd7 10-26-2011 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by The Padster (Post 1775848)
To be fair I don't think B-Boys lyrics are tech enough to be stolen per se, when they're repeated by "bunk ass rappers" (ie Redman, Xzibit, Weezy) it's generally in homage.
Weezy used the line "Three the hard way" in one of his songs thats all I know for sure of.

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Originally Posted by carlson.213 (Post 1775855)
this is the first time i have seen paul wall brought up in here. i have recently become a fan of his after ignoring his stuff for so long because of all the pop tunes he does put out. he does have a few decent tracks that kill.

ive noticed that he has brought back that analogy fused rhyme routine that seems to be fading out.

also, i have never been a fan of lil wayne but did anyone agree that the intro, interlude and outro to his latest album featuring bun b, tech nine, nas, and outkast were off the hook?


I just hate waynes rhymes, he alters words to rhyme with the next one, and makes raps that even I could sit down and write and rap (as a drunk ass mofucka) I like Nas and Outkast a lot, Tech n9ne is decent I was a huge fan bout 2 years ago, I like how he is a little harder type music hes an angry fella hahaha. After waynes VMA autotune microphone fake guitar playing act I was just in shock how shitty he sunk right then.

As for Paul Wall, I agree with that last part. Also, I do have respect for white rappers in general, but I personally dont think he's true talent honestly, but I kind of have some faith that he could step it up a little bit, stop with the ghetto rap lines and throw out somethin from the heart type thing.

The kid arguing about Eminem didnt even know what Eminem stood for, that was one of those instantly out of breath hunched over in pain laughs that I got when he said that (I was extremely stoned, but I am a lot so it's not like how it used to be I dont get all stupid and shit) I couldnt help but laugh. He's like family to me though so he didnt get mad.

cj hood 10-26-2011 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MCAadROCKMiKEd7 (Post 1775894)
Weezy used the line "Three the hard way" in one of his songs thats all I know for sure of.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_the_Hard_Way_(film)

"the next time someone's teaching why don't you get taught"

dave790 10-26-2011 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Brother McDuff (Post 1775691)
well, he's got the humility to play the pop game. that's something I don't think Rakim is too interested in. I can respect both sides of that coin, though I'd be far more inclined to cue up a Rakim record than an Eminem one anyday. that's just me though.
yeah. on the one hand his skills are undoubted. on the other there is 'just lose it.'

MCAadROCKMiKEd7 10-26-2011 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by cj hood (Post 1775895)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_the_Hard_Way_(film)

"the next time someone's teaching why don't you get taught"
Alrighty then

JoLovesMCA 10-27-2011 10:51 AM
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I finally put on the radio and realized that it was Eminem rapping on that "room full of lighters." Or is it sky? Anyway it was horrid! The song overall was bad with or without him, but I honestly can't see myself ever spending my money on his music because I don't like that god awful club music pop people that he is collaborating with.

My question is, is there any of his songs mainstream on the radio that is just "him" and no collaborations. Just curious.

And to add. Maybe it's not just about him. Maybe it's the fact that everybody has to collaborate with a POP artist to get attention. Look it's no secret I am a pop dance fan but too much of it makes my ears bleed. I like diversity. That's a different subject though.

I wonder what rapper will work with Katy Perry next. Hmmm.

alleyezonme6198 10-27-2011 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JoLovesMCA (Post 1775987)
I finally put on the radio and realized that it was Eminem rapping on that "room full of lighters." Or is it sky? Anyway it was horrid! The song overall was bad with or without him, but I honestly can't see myself ever spending my money on his music because I don't like that god awful club music pop people that he is collaborating with.

My question is, is there any of his songs mainstream on the radio that is just "him" and no collaborations. Just curious.

And to add. Maybe it's not just about him. Maybe it's the fact that everybody has to collaborate with a POP artist to get attention. Look it's no secret I am a pop dance fan but too much of it makes my ears bleed. I like diversity. That's a different subject though.

I wonder what rapper will work with Katy Perry next. Hmmm.
I know I have heard "Not Afraid" on the radio and through out his career he has had tracks on the radio with only him on them. I like Em but his radio songs are shit. I can think of "Without Me" then "Cleaning out my Closet" and Im sure there is more. I only find 3 of his albums entertaining. Infinite, The Slim Shady LP, and The Marshall Mathers LP.

JoLovesMCA 10-27-2011 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by alleyezonme6198 (Post 1775993)
I know I have heard "Not Afraid" on the radio and through out his career he has had tracks on the radio with only him on them. I like Em but his radio songs are shit. I can think of "Without Me" then "Cleaning out my Closet" and Im sure there is more. I only find 3 of his albums entertaining. Infinite, The Slim Shady LP, and The Marshall Mathers LP.
Oh okay I remember those. Actually I forgot I did like the song he did with Dido but she wasn't overbearing the way Rihanna and Mars are. I think.... like I said pop music dominates everything and I would really like a seperation every once in awhile.

Beastie Boys went for Santigold I think because she is unique and different. I appreciate that.

fonky pizza 10-28-2011 05:52 AM
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Originally Posted by cj hood (Post 1775895)
"the next time someone's teaching why don't you get taught"
that's just awesome(y)

3stooges 10-29-2011 11:47 PM
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This is pretty cool. They call it a cypher, it's not really a cypher though, they're all written raps.....anyway all those guys can really rap though. I wish they had changed up the beat once or twice. What is Premier doing in there anyway ? It's just for looks right ? I mean the beat's probably playing off a hard drive or something. That's why Eminem walked up to one of the guys and was like "hold up, don't come in yet," right ? Those guys are all rapping nice though.

As far as Eminem, he is great with the battle raps and the freestyling. He is probably one of the best there is if not the best. Technically. But as far as being a recording artist that raps, and a songwriter....you know what I mean, leaving us with something that's going to stand the test of time, like all great artists, whether they are from jazz or classical or rock or hip hop or whatever.....I mean he has some great songs, but then he does undeniably have a lot of pretty lame shit. Just totally commercial trash. I mean dude is like a multi-millionaire already, he doesn't need the money, so he's just doing it out of greed. It's a sellout. Now that is his prerogative. Some people go work in a corporate office. Eminem, he puts out corporate music. He's willing to do it to make a lot of money. However, if he were really sincere about his art, he wouldn't put this crap out. He'd be overwhelmed by feelings of shame and nausea, which would prevent him from even being able to make that kind of music. I guess it is just that he is just not as much of an artist, and more a technician.

It's not unlike these guitar players like Satriani and Steve Vai and Eric Johnson, or any musician that is really known for just ripping on their instrument. But then they really don't have any really good songs. And their fans are all guitar players. The whole battling/freestyling thing is kind of like that. Kinda one dimensional. Don't get me wrong I have respect for the skill and ability, but I can never appreciate that sort of thing as much as something like Stevie Wonder, or the Beatles, or....well I don't want to drop names all day...

Micodin 10-30-2011 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 3stooges (Post 1776208)
What is Premier doing in there anyway ? It's just for looks right ?
He's DJ Premier. He can be anywhere he fucking wants to be!

Lex Diamonds 10-31-2011 07:57 AM
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Cypher (cipher) means 0 which = a circle. As a result cypher is used in hip-hop to describe a "circle" or small group of heads sharing knowledge, thoughts or just plain old technical MCing skills.

3stooges 11-01-2011 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by The Padster (Post 1776325)
Cypher (cipher) means 0 which = a circle. As a result cypher is used in hip-hop to describe a "circle" or small group of heads sharing knowledge, thoughts or just plain old technical MCing skills.
Well the Eminem thing, I guess they can call it a cypher, but to me it's not. It's a performance. It's written and rehearsed, and they all wrote everything separately, instead of building as a group.

Lex Diamonds 11-01-2011 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by 3stooges (Post 1776391)
Well the Eminem thing, I guess they can call it a cypher, but to me it's not. It's a performance. It's written and rehearsed, and they all wrote everything separately, instead of building as a group.
None of the things you mentioned have any bearing whatsoever on what is and isn't a cypher.

3stooges 11-12-2011 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Padster (Post 1776416)
None of the things you mentioned have any bearing whatsoever on what is and isn't a cypher.
Heh, you sound like you're referencing some official rule book or something. I'm just going off my experience. We'll leave it at that, you have your take I have mine.

Micodin 11-12-2011 02:25 PM
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It's really not that hard of a concept to understand.

A Freestyle is kicking rhymes off the top of your head, not rehearsed or previously written.

A Cypher contains people kicking rhymes. They can be previously written, freestyle, or using parts of other peoples rhymes. It's just everyone participating rhyming for fun.

I'm not sure how you can't understand it...

abbott 11-12-2011 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kid Presentable (Post 1775624)
It's a funny thought that responsible parenting will include teaching one's kids about good hip-hop. (y)
any parent who gets their kids into hip hope must be crazy, especially if they have girls.

beasties#1fan 11-13-2011 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Micodin (Post 1777053)
It's really not that hard of a concept to understand.

A Freestyle is kicking rhymes off the top of your head, not rehearsed or previously written.

A Cypher contains people kicking rhymes. They can be previously written, freestyle, or using parts of other peoples rhymes. It's just everyone participating rhyming for fun.

I'm not sure how you can't understand it...
you are just a sweetie aren't you! (y)

Micodin 11-13-2011 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by beasties#1fan (Post 1777086)
you are just a sweetie aren't you! (y)
Cheers!


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