I don't understand the appeal of Scarface.

[DipDipDive]

Someone want to try and explain exactly what it is (they think) I'm missing?

Before we get started here, I would like to state for the record that Travis Bickle would tear Tony Montana to shreds in a fight (gun or fist) every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[Lyman Zerga]

it's pretty good if you love blood and sniffy men

[Deep_Sea_Rain]

Yeah, me either. Way overrated.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by DipDipDive

Someone want to try and explain exactly what it is (they think) I'm missing?

Before we get started here, I would like to state for the record that Travis Bickle would tear Tony Montana to shreds in a fight (gun or fist) every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

This is something I've thought every time someone mentions scarface, I didn't enjoy scarface at all, it seemed so obvious and lame compared to the Godfather (which it sort of steals from). Travis Bickle is the punk rock every man. The isolation and burst of self righteousness just fucking rules, great character writing.

Where as Tony Montana is kind of a shallow coked out violent capitalist. Travis is on a mission to clean up the streets of new york city.

[NoFenders]

Montana didn't take any shit. That's what I think most people who hang pictures of him in their office or home connect with. He's a symbol for many things, but I think most connect with that.

[saz]

yeah scarface was alright, but i didn't think it was a classic.

[Bob]

i think it's mostly gangster wannabes that love it, he's exactly what they wanna be. hustling up from being a nobody to being a kingpin and then dying young. those idiots love that kind of stuff

al pacino is awsome in it though. at the risk of sounding like i don't know what i'm talking about, he transforms

also i know i've already made a thread about it but this montage and song are the 80's

[jabumbo]

you guys aren't hip hop megastars, so YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by NoFenders

Montana didn't take any shit. That's what I think most people who hang pictures of him in their office or home connect with. He's a symbol for many things, but I think most connect with that.

Yes there is that and also it's a monument to excess.

Where as Taxi Driver is a tale of alienation.

As far as criminals in the movies go though I would rather have a poster of James Cagney,

[NoFenders]

I'll have to remember that. Next time I see a kid with a Scarface shirt on I'll mention the excess.

[DipDipDive]

PLEASE STOP SIGNING EVERY POST WITH THE COOL FACE. IT IS VERY ANNOYING.

[Dorothy Wood]

well, I would venture to say that Scarface is also a tale of alienation.

obviously, running around telling people to fuck themselves and not even flinching when your buddy gets sliced up with a chainsaw and stabbing and shooting and then blasting your nose with coke is totally awesome...but it didn't seem like Tony was ever happy. He just seemed mean and greedy and annoying. I suppose he was a little charming when he wanted to marry michelle pffeifer.

but yeah, the music is hilarious, and eventually his whole world comes crumbling down because of his greed. he's not a hero, so I don't really understand why people like the character or the movie so much. there's so much foreshadowing, you know what's going to happen eventually.

if anything, michelle pffeifer was the bad ass, she just got to sit around doing whatever she wanted and got out when she realized it was a stupid life. also, her sunglasses were fucking hot. I want them.




so, I don't think you're missing anything. I'm confused as well.

[RobMoney$]

Originally Posted by NoFenders

Montana didn't take any shit. That's what I think most people who hang pictures of him in their office or home connect with. He's a symbol for many things, but I think most connect with that.

I don't see what's not to get? ^^This is pretty much it. ^^

It was his rise from being less than nothing, an illegal refugee who went from washing dishes in some taco stand to hustleing his way to making duffle bags full of cash.

It was the way he ruthlessley stabbed anyone he had to to climb up the next rung on the drug dealing ladder that most people who like the character admire.

It wasn't about how good he could fight, it's all about his business-sense. The fact that he was "New-money" and tacky as hell appeals all the more to the Hip-Hop community who idolize this character.

[DipDipDive]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

It wasn't about how good he could fight, it's all about his business-sense.

Yes, I realize that. And I get the whole make your way from nothing thing. But like Sarks said, there's so much foreshadowing about Montana's collapse that it makes the movie anti-climactic, and furthermore, you would think that the overall message about his greedy, new money attitude utlimately causing his demise would make him HATED by the hip hop community, not revered. It doesn't make sense to me.

My saying that Travis Bickle could beat Tony Montana in a fight was more an illustration of that character's superior anti-hero quality than anything.

[Echewta]

Its all in the name of the movie. Thats the appeal. Scarface. Because his face was scared so they descided to name it that. Not "Miami Gangster" or "No Mengs Land" or something like that.

[roosta]

i think its kinda boring.

[Dorothy Wood]

Originally Posted by Echewta

Its all in the name of the movie. Thats the appeal. Scarface. Because his face was scared so they descided to name it that. Not "Miami Gangster" or "No Mengs Land" or something like that.

LOL@ miami gangster

[Dorothy Wood]

Originally Posted by DipDipDive

Yes, I realize that. And I get the whole make your way from nothing thing. But like Sarks said, there's so much foreshadowing about Montana's collapse that it makes the movie anti-climactic, and furthermore, you would think that the overall message about his greedy, new money attitude utlimately causing his demise would make him HATED by the hip hop community, not revered. It doesn't make sense to me.

My saying that Travis Bickle could beat Tony Montana in a fight was more an illustration of that character's superior anti-hero quality than anything.

usually the people who love scarface also love smoking weed, maybe they are too stoned to notice the foreshadowing and then fall asleep right after tony says, "say hello to my leetle friend". *snooze*

[DIGI]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

I don't see what's not to get? ^^This is pretty much it. ^^

It was his rise from being less than nothing, an illegal refugee who went from washing dishes in some taco stand to hustleing his way to making duffle bags full of cash.

It was the way he ruthlessley stabbed anyone he had to to climb up the next rung on the drug dealing ladder that most people who like the character admire.

It wasn't about how good he could fight, it's all about his business-sense. The fact that he was "New-money" and tacky as hell appeals all the more to the Hip-Hop community who idolize this character.

Case in point.


(insert picture of RobMoney in his Gala Event Biggie suit here)

[DipDipDive]

Originally Posted by Dorothy Wood

usually the people who love scarface also love smoking weed, maybe they are too stoned to notice the foreshadowing and then fall asleep right after tony says, "say hello to my leetle friend". *snooze*

You might be on to something. I knew this group of dorks a few years back who obsessed over that movie. They'd watch it and play this drinking game where they'd take a shot every time Tony Montana says the F word. They probably don't know he dies in the end because they're passed out in their own puke 45 minutes into it. Idiots.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by Dorothy Wood

LOL@ miami gangster

yeah or how about "blemface"

[NoFenders]

Originally Posted by DipDipDive

PLEASE STOP SIGNING EVERY POST WITH THE COOL FACE. IT IS VERY ANNOYING.

[NoFenders]

Originally Posted by Dorothy Wood

if anything, michelle pffeifer was the bad ass, she just got to sit around doing whatever she wanted and got out when she realized it was a stupid life. also, her sunglasses were fucking hot. I want them.

"She'll be back,another qualude and she'll love me in the morning."

[TAL]

Two a's in quaalude!

[NoFenders]

Originally Posted by DipDipDive

Yes, I realize that. And I get the whole make your way from nothing thing. But like Sarks said, there's so much foreshadowing about Montana's collapse that it makes the movie anti-climactic, and furthermore, you would think that the overall message about his greedy, new money attitude utlimately causing his demise would make him HATED by the hip hop community, not revered. It doesn't make sense to me.

My saying that Travis Bickle could beat Tony Montana in a fight was more an illustration of that character's superior anti-hero quality than anything.

Are you new to the hip hop community? They're almost exactly the same as Montana as far as "new money attitude". Montana and true thugs are the same in the sense that they fall just as fast as they rise. Mostly due to their outspoken idiocy. It wouldn't be any fun if nobody knew that they had a bag full of cash. If you try and connect Scarface with The GodFather, you're missing a very big point. One controlled an empire, the other couldn't control himself.

[Lyman Zerga]

HEY NOW!

if i remember correctly i got quite some shit for not understanding the 'greatness' of scarface now DDD says the same and everyone rides her cock and agrees that it is the worst movie of all times!








p.s. i love al pacino

[Freebasser]

Scarface is fucking amazing. It's like an epic, three hour long, 80s themed, cocaine-filled musical with guns up the wazoo, pastel suits aplenty and dodgy accents by the bananaboatful.

Plus, Al Pacino's big hair is intense.

[DipDipDive]

Originally Posted by NoFenders

f you try and connect Scarface with The GodFather, you're missing a very big point.

I didn't. Read the thread. I've never even seen The Godfather.

[DipDipDive]

Originally Posted by Lyman Zerga

HEY NOW!

if i remember correctly i got quite some shit for not understanding the 'greatness' of scarface now DDD says the same and everyone rides her cock and agrees that it is the worst movie of all times!

I never said it's the worst movie of all time. The Replacements starring Keanu Reeves and Gene Hackman holds that title. I just don't believe the hype.

[NoFenders]

Originally Posted by DipDipDive

I didn't. Read the thread. I've never even seen The Godfather.

It was meant for yeahwho. Sorry for the confusion.