The White House is asking that you report dissenting views

[RobMoney$]

Facts are Stubborn Things

There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

I am so interested in seeing what you guys come up with to defend this one.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

Facts are Stubborn Things





I am so interested in seeing what you guys come up with to defend this one.

It's a smart idea, whatever nefarious activities could happen as a result of the current panic tactics should be anticipated and dealt with. It's called covering your bases.

Take for instance that MILFord academy bob is setting up for Moms going back to school, you know, I know, most of the board knows he just wants to get laid. But those dumb fucks on the Pearl Jam board are sending their Moms there in droves, much to bobs delight.

[RobMoney$]

Originally Posted by yeahwho

It's a smart idea, whatever nefarious activities could happen as a result of the current panic tactics should be anticipated and dealt with. It's called covering your bases.

Now pretend this is 1933 and you live in Germany.

Frankly, the mere mention of reporting dissent to the gov't scares the crap out of me, and is should scare the crap out of everyone.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

Now pretend this is 1933 and you live in Germany.

whoops! didn't see this! now i feel like an idiot for actually trying to debate this with you

make up your mind, rob. does obama want to turn this country into north korea or nazi germany?

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Originally Posted by Bob

make up your mind, rob. does obama want to turn this country into north korea or nazi germany?

There is a third option. Obama bears a striking resemblance to Damien from the prophetic '81 film The Final Conflict:

http://www.deadlantern.com/reviews/2008/10/omen3.jpg

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

Now pretend this is 1933 and you live in Germany.

Frankly, the mere mention of reporting dissent to the gov't scares the crap out of me, and is should scare the crap out of everyone.

If they ever decide to have a "Jump to Illogical Conclusions" events category in the Olympics I'll sponsor you. Your avatar is perfect.

[RobMoney$]

Originally Posted by yeahwho

If they ever decide to have a "Jump to Illogical Conclusions" events category in the Olympics I'll sponsor you. Your avatar is perfect.

First they came for all those who disagreed with Obama's healthcare program...

and I said nothing.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

First they came for all those who disagreed with Obama's healthcare program...

and I said nothing.

Do you ever think that just maybe your being played by all this hysteria? This isn't about Nazism, This isn't about socialism... millions of Americans actually voted in Obama for a health plan much less compromised than the one being tallied about today.

We voted to have healthcare addressed. This isn't something being forced down our throats. It is what was advertised. Health care for each and every American citizen.

To stop the fucked up scams that have wreaked havoc on countless numbers of citizens due to the corporate health industries bottomline.

Is it amnesia the current crop of dissenters are suffering from?

[Bob]

The point is that we don't know what they plan on doing with the list of people they recieve that hold dissenting views.

no, i suppose we don't. in your opinion, what is the worst case scenario? what do you expect obama might do?

I find it mind-boggling that this administration can not mine this data themselves without being sent tattling e-mails. I thought Obama and his henchmen were all geniuses, yet apparently they are incapable of using a search engine.

they're going after rumors spread through chain e-mails and casual conversations. people don't send these e-mails to or casually converse about such things with the white house. how would they "mine this data themselves"? the blogosphere is an infinite realm, it could take decades to find what they're looking for.

Since when does combating disinformation = asking people to rat on each other?

i don't think they want people to rat on people, in the sense that they're interested in actually going after the people. to me, it sounds like they just want to know what the rumors are, so they can bring them to light and address them.

again. i could be wrong. they could be building a camp as we speak. i promise i'll eat my words if that turns out to be the case

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

First they came for all those who disagreed with Obama's healthcare program...

and I said nothing.

please tell me that was a joke. please tell me you're not legitimately comparing this to the holocaust. please. i want to respect your opinion on this, so badly, but i just can't if you're unironically doing this

i mean, apart from the nazi comparisons i don't entirely disagree with you, and i don't think you're unreasonable to find this suspicious - it is a really weird thing for the federal government to ask people to do, but the holocaust, rob? the holocaust?

[kaiser soze]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

Now pretend this is 1933 and you live in Germany.

Frankly, the mere mention of reporting dissent to the gov't scares the crap out of me, and is should scare the crap out of everyone.

I don't agree with this as well, but I'm curious....Your thoughts on warrant-less wiretapping?

[RobMoney$]

Originally Posted by kaiser soze

I don't agree with this as well, but I'm curious....Your thoughts on warrant-less wiretapping?

Con.

Along with things such as the Gov't being able to see what library books you've checked out, and being called a crazy loon for going to a town hall and disagreeing with the proposed healthcare plan.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

Con.

Along with things such as the Gov't being able to see what library books you've checked out, and being called a crazy loon for going to a town hall and disagreeing with the proposed healthcare plan.

When does crazy loon become appropriate in your paranoid thought process?

[saz]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

and being called a crazy loon for going to a town hall and disagreeing with the proposed healthcare plan.

you mean angry mobs going to town hall events and harrassing those inside, and issuing death threats to a congressman.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

Facts are Stubborn Things





I am so interested in seeing what you guys come up with to defend this one.

there's dissent, and then there's outright lies. something like "government health care will raise costs and reduce efficiency" is dissent. that's good. that needs to be discussed. i don't think anyone wants to squelch that. on the other hand, something like "government health care will euthanize the elderly" or "my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," is misinformation, and when ridiculous shit like that starts infiltrating peoples' minds below the radar and festers into the public discourse, it's very, uh, unproductive, to say the least.

if people don't like public health care then they're entitled to that opinion. it is definitely a big issue, and there will be benefits and there will be burdens and legitimate questions about the weight of those benefits and burdens definitely need to be discussed. but to add to the "burden" side of the scale by disguising outright lies as legitimate issues is a dangerous thing.

i can't speak for the white house, but if i had to guess, that's the kind of thing they want to address. if people are spreading lies about the consequences of public healthcare, then the government wants to be able to address it before it gains too much momentum.

of course, i could be way off. obama could very well want to send the secret service into peoples' homes at night and lock them away in secret prisons to get his euthanasiacare bill passed without opposition, that's a possibility.

[RobMoney$]

The point is that we don't know what they plan on doing with the list of people they recieve that hold dissenting views.

Maybe this is benign - I really hope it is. If that's the case, don't you think that this is a poorly thought out proposition, sure to receive such a response?

I find it mind-boggling that this administration can not mine this data themselves without being sent tattling e-mails. I thought Obama and his henchmen were all geniuses, yet apparently they are incapable of using a search engine.

Since when does combating disinformation = asking people to rat on each other?