Supplements: shit in a bottle

[Qdrop]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11532184/

"Two recent studies appearing in the highly-respected New England Journal of Medicine punctured the promises of some of the most popular pills found on drug-store shelves.

Turns out calcium isn't much help for preventing broken bones as we grow older. And glucosamine and chondroitin sulfate, top-sellers for the aches and pains of osteoarthritis, hardly make a difference."

"Vitamins C and E fared even poorer as preventives against prostate cancer in a study last week in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. It found no reduction of risk whatsoever, except perhaps in some smokers."

"Small trials, which many supplements have gone through, often show a great deal of benefit,’’ says Vickers. "It’s only when you greatly increase the size of the population studied that you are able to see a more accurate picture, which is what we’re seeing now.’’

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stupid fuckin supplement craze....

shit. i just spent like $100 on co Q 10, saw palmetto, multivitamins, and vitamin a&e oil. and horny goat weed but that stuff does actually work.

[Sarky Devotchka]

I think my bones came from a horse, I'm not worried about bone loss like the t.v. says I should be.

[Qdrop]

Originally Posted by Sarky Devotchka

I think my bones came from a horse, I'm not worried about bone loss like the t.v. says I should be.

but the TV NEVER lies...
never....

[cosmo105]

the problem is too many people think they can spend $3 at Rite Aid for something and expect it to change their lives. and then too may others get sucked in by shyster companies that make ridiculous claims. just like that fucking Kevin Trudeau asshole. god, i hate him. he makes the whole industry look bad.

while it's unfortunate that so many are using hype and over-the-top claims to make money, it's really also about uneducated consumers and their eagerness to buy into ad campaigns. in the end these people may be gambling with their health.

i helped this customer last night (oh god she was gross. huge ball-in-a-sock boobs hanging down over her bellybutton on either side of it. practically under her arms. and she wouldn't fucking listen to me! i'd point directly at a product and she'd stare at the shelf and say "where is this is, i want this one" and point at her book again and i'd show it to her and she'd look at her book again and ask what the price was and i'd say your finger's over it rarrrgh. and talk about invading my personal space...) that was trying to get off antidepressants...and of course she had some book that she figured was going to save her life, and she demanded that i help her find every single supplement listed on one page. it must have been about 8 different things. she wasn't even taking a multivitamin, so i was really reluctant to let her shove a million capsules down her throat all at once. i started her off with a multi, calcium, and a fish oil, but after that i told her she really ought to try just these at once to see how they affect her and go from there. nope. she insisted upon about four different amino acids, in pretty high doses, and a few other things. i must have told her at least four times that she really shouldn't shock her system with so many different things, because, god forbid she did have a reaction to anything, she wouldn't know what did it. she just stared at me and said "are you going to help me find them or not."

sigh. so i pointed out all the products to Tubbarella and she spent over $200 on things that she probably has no clue what are actually going to do in her. that's why i'm so interested in biochemistry and nutrition...i hope to find out just what our bodies DO with what we put in it.


one thing that really irks me is people expect they can get all the necessary nutrients in ONE tablet. please. they're cramming so much into that horsepill that they can't even get the RDI, much less what you REALLY ought to take. and tablets are so difficult to absorb anyway, you might as well be sucking down metamucil. if someone reads you have to take - gasp - TWO CAPSULES! their eyes get huge and they refuse to believe that they could possibly swallow more than one small item.

OH! and don't get me started on retards that take fucking flintstones vitamins. hey idiotface! you're chewing on a piece of chalk with synthetic vitamins made for A FOUR-YEAR-OLD! you wonder why you belch them all day? BECAUSE THEY'RE PURPLE AND SHAPED LIKE FUCKING DINO! god i hate when people ask me if something like that is okay for them to take. yeah, if you weigh 40 pounds and haven't gone through puberty. retards.

anyway...

in the supplement biz, there are a lot of people just out there for money. but that's true in any industry. if you really want the right supplements for your nutritional needs, go to either a naturopath or nutritionist and figure out exactly what your lifestyle and body demand...and go to a small place with years of experience to help you figure out what YOU need and what the best product is. don't go to a drugstore, and don't go to a corporation. god, don't EVER go to GNC or vitaminshoppe or any of that shit. and don't buy the store brand. i'll be the first to admit that the house brand where i work is crap! but it's cheap, and that's what our lovely senior citizen clientle demand. for the most part, at a reputable place, you get what you pay for.

and qdrop...medical science doesn't always have every answer. everybody's different...and every body is different.

[Qdrop]

Originally Posted by cosmo105

and qdrop...medical science doesn't always have every answer. everybody's different...and every body is different.

okay, i was with you up until that part...

what are saying? that some eastern philosophy can explain body chemistry better then an immunologist, or internal medicine doctor, or a neurologist?

[cosmo105]

Originally Posted by cosmo105

OH! and don't get me started on retards that take fucking flintstones vitamins. hey idiotface! you're chewing on a piece of chalk with synthetic vitamins made for A FOUR-YEAR-OLD! you wonder why you belch them all day? BECAUSE THEY'RE PURPLE AND SHAPED LIKE FUCKING DINO! god i hate when people ask me if something like that is okay for them to take. yeah, if you weigh 40 pounds and haven't gone through puberty. retards.

[ms.peachy]

Originally Posted by Qdrop

"Turns out calcium isn't much help for preventing broken bones as we grow older. ... "

Great, maybe the next step is to get the dairy industry to acknowledge that actually, drinking loads of milk is in fact not all that good for us.

[marsdaddy]

Originally Posted by ms.peachy

Great, maybe the next step is to get the dairy industry to acknowledge that actually, drinking loads of milk is in fact not all that good for us.

That's C-R-A-Z-Y talk. Next you're going to say mother's milk is better than cow's milk?! Lies!

[Justin]

some people dont understand how important vitamins are or exercise for that matter...(and im not talking about looking like a muscle head). I can find some great things at GNC and Vitamin World. For vitamins i prefer "Mega Man".

Also some people and even weightlifters dont know much at all about supplements. Most guys (training for strength and lots of mass) think that they "HAVE" to drink 3-4 protein shakes a day, with each shake containing 35-40 grams of protein. (It is recommended that each day you should consume 0.7 grams of protein per kilogram of body weight) What they dont understand is if they are eating lots of meat, for the protein, their daily protein intake could completely go over what is recommended. Which may cause the kidneys to "QUIT".

Most deaths in males are in cause of some type of heart failure/disease, which is caused by a lack of cardiovascular activity.

yes, i'm a know it all

[cosmo105]

mega-man is crap. gnc supplements are crap. ever noticed how bright neon yellow your piss is?

[Justin]

thats not caused my mega man, its from not eating/drinking right. Those of you with alot of yellow pee goin on, drink more water!

If you get drunk at night and wake up and piss, you have to expect your pee to be yellow

[cosmo105]

why would i take those? i don't have trouble sleeping.

i'm not being hostile. i'm just a heartless bitch.

[Jmoney77]

YEA

[Jmoney77]

I buy extends

[cj hood]

i was a science major in college....and my bio-chem prof told me how he likes to go into these 'health food' stores and hear the line of bull they'd use to sell these fake pills.....then he'd tell them he has a phd in bio and they'd stutter and run away....

[cosmo105]

Originally Posted by cj hood

i was a science major in college....and my bio-chem prof told me how he likes to go into these 'health food' stores and hear the line of bull they'd use to sell these fake pills.....then he'd tell them he has a phd in bio and they'd stutter and run away....

as i said, unfortunately a lot of people are in it for just the money and have little or no real background in the truth. but luckily for me, i've had experiences with people that have a real passion for it and wouldn't sell out like that.

i work with a naturopathic doctor that has his phD in it, and i'm considered his assistant there, so i feel confident that i'm learning what's really going on. and i've gotten to know him well - he's very patient, very honest, and very genuine. he never lies to a customer. it's not like any of us work on comission, anyway.