Eminem Shouts Out Beastie Boys in BET Awards 2011 Cypher

[Kid Presentable]

*sucks teeth*

[Lex Diamonds]

Originally Posted by Micodin

You are correct, Sir!

I knew the actual details I was just making the story more readable. Some of us have that gift.

You on the other hand got it totally wrong. What does being a nerdy douchebag feel like?

[Kid Presentable]

You'd like it, P.

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by The Padster

I knew the actual details I was just making the story more readable. Some of us have that gift.

You on the other hand got it totally wrong. What does being a nerdy douchebag feel like?

The only gift you have is your amazing gag reflex.

[beasties#1fan]

Originally Posted by The Padster

What does being a nerdy douchebag feel like?

Nailed it!!

[Porkys1982#1fan]

Originally Posted by beasties#1fan

finally he gives a shout out to the beasties, i mean, they were the first white rappers, and people need to realize that. Most people nowadays think Eminem is the best white rapper ever, and he even beat the bboys on the Vh1s top 100 artists, in my opinion thats ridiculous. i've never liked him, people give him more credit than the bboys, and it pisses me off!

One shouldn't attempt to argue about something they know little to nothing about.

In other words, keep your ignorant statements to yourself.

Or at least google it!

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by Porkys1982#1fan

One shouldn't attempt to argue about something they know little to nothing about.

In other words, keep your ignorant statements to yourself.

Or at least google it!

Boom!

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by beasties#1fan

Nailed it!!

Oh yeah...

That's what she said.

Heh. I love this board.

[Brother McDuff]

Originally Posted by pm0ney

My opinion on Eminem is that he's an extremely talented wordsmith and an extremely talented rapper who makes -in general- bad music. I was a big fan of his first two albums when he really blew up, but even they have aged pretty badly. His talent and audacity early in his career are enough to warrant his massive success, I think. But the shit that he releases now that gets played on z100 and KTU? No way, man. I cant dig any of that shit. Its pop music.

nail on the head, P$, nail on the head.

[Kid Presentable]

Originally Posted by pm0ney

My opinion on Eminem is that he's an extremely talented wordsmith and an extremely talented rapper who makes -in general- bad music. I was a big fan of his first two albums when he really blew up, but even they have aged pretty badly. His talent and audacity early in his career are enough to warrant his massive success, I think. But the shit that he releases now that gets played on z100 and KTU? No way, man. I cant dig any of that shit. Its pop music.

Fair enough. His new shit is pretty lame, but there are moments here and there. And the topic isn't his music, it's his spitting in the cypher. And that was incredible.

In fact, most times he gets at a beat, he demolishes it. For me that carries much more weight in judging his influence and skills than the actual music he releases, if only because he's simply that good as an MC that he makes his own garbage output irrelevant.

He's probably the best rapper living.

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by Kid Presentable

He's probably the best rapper living.

I would say that's spot on.

[Kid Presentable]

Originally Posted by Micodin

I would say that's spot on.

I mean, the challenge is seeing past the bullshit music he has made. Listen to the second half of that cypher verse, it's pretty incredible. Yes I think Royce was more entertaining, but Em has dropped numerous feature verses and freestyles which are of such a high calibre...well, you get the point.

Compare him to a group like the Beastie Boys, obviously their strength is in their ability to be entertaining and just make music that feels right. It's a whole different thing, much more tacit.

[Micodin]

Agreed. He can make some corny pop songs but also murder beats like no one else.

Check out his last two Westwood freestyles. The kid is zoned out.

[Brother McDuff]

straight up artistry 'in the raw' and the ability to create a 'piece of art' are two very different things', though equally significant and vital.

it's the whole 'live art' vs 'crafted art' balance. spontaneity vs manipulation. eminem will never record a piece of work like a Bboy record (IMO), just as the Bboys will never tout the natural lyrical prowess that Eminem yields (IMO). but both skills are divine nonetheless. it's the varying balance between the innate and contrived within any given artist that really chisels there own individuality. some are purely one or the other, but most straddle a personalized line somewhere in between.

music is great, isn't it?

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by Brother McDuff

music is great, isn't it?

Truth.

[jayjacobson16]

Originally Posted by Brother McDuff

music is great, isn't it?

Forget music man. I'm into crack now. It's dope y'all.

[sab0tage]

Well said

Originally Posted by Brother McDuff

straight up artistry 'in the raw' and the ability to create a 'piece of art' are two very different things', though equally significant and vital.

it's the whole 'live art' vs 'crafted art' balance. spontaneity vs manipulation. eminem will never record a piece of work like a Bboy record (IMO), just as the Bboys will never tout the natural lyrical prowess that Eminem yields (IMO). but both skills are divine nonetheless. it's the varying balance between the innate and contrived within any given artist that really chisels there own individuality. some are purely one or the other, but most straddle a personalized line somewhere in between.

music is great, isn't it?

[JoLovesMCA]

I won’t say I don’t think Eminem isn’t talented because I’d be crucified for that one and anyway I do think he is a great lyricist… it’s just his voice I don’t like. It always reminded me of Fran Drescher. I guess I am just all about the voice and I know that I am in the minority. Oh well.

[jayjacobson16]

Originally Posted by JoLovesMCA

It always reminded me of Fran Drescher. I guess I am just all about the voice and I know that I am in the minority. Oh well.

His old voice or his current voice?

[JoLovesMCA]

Originally Posted by jayjacobson16

His old voice or his current voice?

Honestly hadn’t noticed a change since I rarely listen to him. I know the experts say his old music is better and I agree to some extent.... but as an artist I just don’t think he’s evolved all that much. Yeah he moves on with the times and I guess that’s why he’s so successful in the mainstream… I can’t say I like only the lighter side of hip hop because I am a fan of Tupac, Cypress Hill and grew up listening to the Ghetto Boys. Their lyrics were violent but I loved THEM!!! So anyway I am rambling, I just hate the dude’s voice!

[jayjacobson16]

Originally Posted by JoLovesMCA

Honestly hadn’t noticed a change since I rarely listen to him. I’ve I know the experts say his old music is better and I agree to some extent but as an artist I don’t think he’s evolved all that much. He moves on with the times and I guess that’s why he’s so successful in the mainstream still… I can’t say I like only the lighter side of hip hop because I am a fan of Tupac, Cypress Hill and grew up listening to the Ghetto Boys. Their lyrics were violent but I loved THEM!!! So anyway I am rambling, I just hate the dude’s voice!

I mean cause his old voice was extremely high pitch and then after a little while it became deeper. Now it's deeper than ever.

[JoLovesMCA]

Originally Posted by jayjacobson16

I mean cause his old voice was extremely high pitch and then after a little while it became deeper. Now it's deeper than ever.

Not as deep as MCA's........ couldn't resist.

I hear you though. I know as an artist gets older their voice or vocal range can get better if they take care of it.
I am just ready to see hip hop expand a little. It use to be so diverse and for the past several years it’s all the same. Everybody walks to the beat of the same drum. I get bored with it. I think that’s why I prefer such old school because there is that experimentation with sounds and things like that. But that’s another topic!

Anyway Eminem appreciates the Beasties so I try not to be too critical but I was just never a fan.

[Brother McDuff]

Originally Posted by jayjacobson16

Forget music man. I'm into crack now. It's dope y'all.

I've heard good things...

[jayjacobson16]

Originally Posted by Brother McDuff

I've heard good things...

Hail Geah!

[bigfatlove06]

cosign on best rapper alive. I don't care to dissect the minute details of why I say this because I can't defend it (nor do I care to). Suffice it to say IMHO he rocks it better than anyone I have ever heard.

[Chrisco83]

Em's albums are all pretty weak/pop other than his first and parts of his second like most of you have said. But his underground battles/ freestyles disses are probably the best lyrically and creatively ive ever heard. i cant stand his albums, but am always amazed at how sick his battle rhymes are, especially soon after he came out when he was beefing with that bitch ass benzino. the stuff he says is hilarious, plus it flows so well and its super hardcore dissing. if i were a rapper i would not want to battle him because he is just gonna make a fool of you no matter who you are.

[Chrisco83]

idk if any of you saw bet's top 10 mc's of the 21st century,but it was all bullshit except Em did get number 1 of lil gayne. there were a few nice rappers in that list but drake was like number 7, if he is any list its bs.

[jayjacobson16]

Originally Posted by Chrisco83

idk if any of you saw bet's top 10 mc's of the 21st century,but it was all bullshit except Em did get number 1 of lil gayne. there were a few nice rappers in that list but drake was like number 7, if he is any list its bs.

lol. Drake, Kanye West, Lil Wayne, Ludacris, Rick Ross, Young Jeezy, 50 CENT and TI???!! Eminem is the greatest rapper and lyracist ever but the rest suck ejaculating penis. I wonder how many people with high IQs agree with this list.

[Brother McDuff]

Originally Posted by jayjacobson16

lol. Drake, Kanye West, Lil Wayne, Ludacris, Rick Ross, Young Jeezy, 50 CENT and TI???!!

ugh, this makes me so angry. I know it shouldn't, but these lists are such shit. it's like erasing the legacy of hip-hop from the chalkboard for young fans. I know these television producers are simply trying to "reach" the youthful audience, but what the fuck!?! what message are they giving out? that bad rap is good rap? fuckin whores.

[pm0ney]

Originally Posted by Kid Presentable

I mean, the challenge is seeing past the bullshit music he has made. Listen to the second half of that cypher verse, it's pretty incredible. Yes I think Royce was more entertaining, but Em has dropped numerous feature verses and freestyles which are of such a high calibre...well, you get the point.

Compare him to a group like the Beastie Boys, obviously their strength is in their ability to be entertaining and just make music that feels right. It's a whole different thing, much more tacit.

Fair enough, which is why I prefaced my statement by stating how talented I think he is. In general though, I'm a bigger fan of recorded music than I am of cyphers and battles. Chuck D has openly stated he never battled/freestyled/what-have-you, but I'd take him over Eminem any day.