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Most people on this board are long term fans who would love to hear some Beastie Boys history. |
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i remember getting a copy in the 90s, but i thought Gwedo King hooked me up...
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He got it from me.
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but as a i recall, i bought it from you on EBAY. I paid somethin like $70 for it. i know you said others sold it ebay and you were mad at them but you did the same thing yourself. I didnt sell it on ebay, i merely resold it on the old beastie ng for a mere $7 a pop, to cover the cost of the cassette and s&h. |
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Sir SkratchaLot, I don't know all the particulars, but respect for keeping your word for so long. I've been trusted with Beastie goodies over the years, and if I had betrayed people I'm sure the goodies would have stopped coming my way long ago.
I will say though, it HAS been a looong time.. Decision is yours, offer still stands.. Quote:
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how did he keep his word? he sold it on ebay back in 1999. |
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We're talking about some mystery Posse track that he supposedly has...and hasn't leaked/shared.
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No, i don't have any inside scoop, but I'd be willing to bet the Beasties know about the best Beastie fan sites around: beastiemixes.com, beastiemania.com, and mictomic.com
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The way the whole thing went down is that I sold a sealed mint copy of MCA and Burzootie on eBay and I threw in a mixtape called "Theories of the Boom Bip" as a freebee. That tape had Deperado on the b-side along with some other rare tracks. Importantly, I previously sold a handful of sealed MCA and Burzootie 12s without the tape and the LEAST I got was $60. Anyway, naively, I threw in the tape thinking if somebody is THAT into the Beasties it would be cool to throw a DJ mix with some rare tracks in. I assumed that anybody even looking for that record would be a huge fan and that's exactly who I was trying to get the rarer tracks to. Now, had you just bought that record and bootlegged the joint I couldn't complain. It was dumb of me to assume some happy fan would who bought the record would be like "cool tape" and not start up the bootlegging press. BUT HERE'S THE THING, you and I e-mailed about the whole situation. I told you where it came from, that the source was cool with trading it amongst fans but didn't want it sold outright or up on Napster and you said "it is very interesting that you have asked me to keep this to myself. i will. i assure you." Then you immediately put it on eBay and started selling it outright for profit. None of the other 10 or so people from the boards (Dustin, Princess G, etc.) who I mailed the track to tried to sell it. Anybody who offered to buy the track from me got denied and I was trading it with the hardcore fans for stuff like DJ mixes and other unreleased demos. The thing is, luckily, that whole poisonous bootleg environment is pretty much dead now, which is maybe one more reason to youtube the possie in effect thing. Anyway, I guess it's my fault more than Kenny's. I mean, seriously, when you take the word of guy who goes by "gwedo king", that's on you, right? |
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I just sold it to a few members, to make my money back. I wasnt the one who leaked it onto napster. I didnt even know napster was in existence.
why wouldnt anyone not trust me? afterall, my doc was the beastie boys doc. i had a few raw deals on the site. sent some punk from baldwin a 12" of so wacha want and he never responded with his part of the bargain. now, thats someone not to trust! |
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Hey guys apologies, I did not mean to start a finger pointing parade. Regardless of who made what off it in the past, personally I'm grateful it got out. Because it might be the only copy that even exists anymore. It's quite possible that if you had not done the leg work and got that copy that I and millions of others would still to this day only have heard that bit from the Tougher Than Leather movie.
Honestly I think it's kind crazy to think that the dude who gave/sold it to you originally did not do the same with anyone else...but in the end... Who cares? What's done is done, and if you are the reason why I got to hear a full version of that song? Personally I thank you for it. I could care less about the posse in effect track honestly. Desperado is what I was and am still interested in hearing a better version. But any version at all at one point was an incredible find and again if it indeed was because of you...thank you very much. How often does one get to thank some one else for something like that? Again If it was because of you I really am grateful. As all these other fucks are. So ANYWAY.... Anybody got the remix skills to create something close to the tougher than leather version? First off, the missing pieces broken down. Is that actually Clint Eastwoods voice being sampled saying desperado? I can't quite make it out. Also the "woah woah woah" background vocals. Is that the exact same as the ones used in posse in effect? Just sped up a bit? Then the Good and The Bad and The Ugly theme. It has this scratching on it that is very Rick Rubin Time To Get I'll sounding. Does anyone know how to do that? That scratch sound is like no other, it's so bad ass. It's why I love Paul Revere so much. Sorry to beat dead horse on this, but the conversation was getting way of course. I'm an idiot when it come to creating music, I guess I'm wondering If anyone knows if it's even a possible feat? Last edited by matttpotter : 03-09-2012 at 11:35 AM. Reason: Typo |
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you're still talking about this?
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It's been long enough...you ought to let the Posse track leak. Does the guy who gave it to you still even work there?
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Wow! Dude thank you for the answer. That was pretty awesome. I totally understand you sitting on it to avoid bootleggers grabbing it and making bullshit money off it. I can not tell you how annoyed I get with WEEN shit I have had in the past that, that exact thing has happened with. You have to be careful.
It really makes me wonder though WHAT is out there still you know? I mean it was QUITE a while before the Pauls Demos leaked. If I had gotten ahold of those back in the day? Like when my fandom for those guys was at its peak? I would have exploded. It was truly amazing to hear when I finally did get my greedy mits on it. I've wondered how much pauls shit there is that we have not even begun to hear...and probably won't till they are dead. I have a friend who has a copy of the Dr Strangelove ending and the original Shining ending. He has been sitting on that shit for years too. The sheer nuts and will power of that... ...and wow! talk about having a Beastie Boy holy grail and keeping it close like that...I got to say my hat is off to you man. Pissed at you beyond belief! But it makes me respect the fuck out of you, you lucky fucker...respect. And respect on the ground working getting it. I know how hard that can be too. Any idea on the history of the Pauls Demos? Where they came from and how complete they are? (Apologies again if this has already been discussed.) |
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Ugh.
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Huh. I just see it as keeping my word to the dude I got it from. I still feel bad about the whole thing went down with Desperado. In any event, why should I be putting out this stuff that I have absolutely no ownership of and no persmission from the owners?
On the other hand, it's been 10 years and the Beasties don't really seem to care. |
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I say, just put it up on Beastiemixes.com and let the fans hear it. The Beastie Boys themselves know about that site and don't have a problem with it. |
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http://www.beastiemixes.com/rare.php
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BS
Tell u what, rip a 5 second sample of this "talking shit" and blow your nose over it if you want before uploading a stream for us to hear, then we can judge before calling total BS which is what I'm calling anyway. And even if u do really have this extended cut I'm still calling BS because really that's all it is......I could rip splice and edit snippets from 100 different interviews and put them over a low-fi scratchy PIE track and nobody would ever no the difference. This is fuckng stupid, right keep that shit locked down for another 28 years until we are all in our late-sixties because that would be so cool to bust out in the retirement home in the off chance another old fucker actually remembers or even gives a shit about the Beasties let alone even remembering their own name. ...and we're supposed to be the mature reasonable ones with all the kiddies around. |
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P.S. Don't Be A Dick |
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I'm sorry, it did read back extremely dickish so really I am sorry. |
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