Anybody watch the Bill Nye, Ken Ham creationist debate?

[Bob]

Originally Posted by rirv

I can't believe this is even a thing.

it bugs me that we're expected to give equal weight between A) a scientific theory of evolution backed by evidence and B) a single religion's creation myth

such balls on that single religion! if you're going to "teach the controversy" then surely every creation myth should be involved? if i had any means to do so, i'd like to get invited to an "evolution vs. creation" debate on the side of creation and just advocate for the hindu creation myth while not every acknowledging that christianity or any other religion has a story of their own.

richard dawkins is kind of a douche, but he does have that one quote that's pretty spot on here: “We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”

[Waus]

Originally Posted by Bob

it bugs me that we're expected to give equal weight between A) a scientific theory of evolution backed by evidence and B) a single religion's creation myth

such balls on that single religion! if you're going to "teach the controversy" then surely every creation myth should be involved? if i had any means to do so, i'd like to get invited to an "evolution vs. creation" debate on the side of creation and just advocate for the hindu creation myth while not every acknowledging that christianity or any other religion has a story of their own.

richard dawkins is kind of a douche, but he does have that one quote that's pretty spot on here: “We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”

I agree with your points. I think the lack of other perspectives is probably just because this was specifically an invitation from Ham to Nye to discuss whether his version of the creation myth was scientifically tenable. Nye ably showed that it was not.

[TurdBerglar]

I wonder if when religion and "god" starts to become even less and less impactful to people that the separate overt religions and religious beliefs will start to ally and band together against scientific thinking.

there seems to be less and less people that identify with religion and god. there's going to be a point when there's hardly anybody left.

[Waus]

Originally Posted by TurdBerglar

I wonder if when religion and "god" starts to become even less and less impactful to people that the separate overt religions and religious beliefs will start to ally and band together against scientific thinking.

there seems to be less and less people that identify with religion and god. there's going to be a point when there's hardly anybody left.

I guess it's possible. I don't really think the "science vs. religion" paradigm is accurate. I don't personally know any Christians who think science and religion are at odds, and even the fringe people I know several degrees removed generally come up with some shitty pseudo-science to justify their beliefs.

This guy has an unbearably slow cadence and english accent, but he kind of expresses what I think a lot of religious folks subscribe to now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSVPZykCRyQ Really - science and religion are not concerned with the same things. Some people hear this sort of defense and argue that the entire basis of religious belief is inimical to empirical science, I remain unconvinced.

Whether or not religion will continue to be a thing I can't say. I think it might, it'll just start coming from different portions of the world.

[TurdBerglar]

Originally Posted by Waus

I guess it's possible. I don't really think the "science vs. religion" paradigm is accurate. I don't personally know any Christians who think science and religion are at odds, and even the fringe people I know several degrees removed generally come up with some shitty pseudo-science to justify their beliefs.

I feel there's going to be a point in time when the only people left that are overtly religious are going to be more like Ken Ham. The more casual folks are just going to slowly abandon religion as has been happening for quite some time now. that trend will just continue. The folks like ken ham, regardless of religion, who attack science will team up.

[ms.peachy]

Originally Posted by TurdBerglar

The more casual folks are just going to slowly abandon religion as has been happening for quite some time now. that trend will just continue. The folks like ken ham, regardless of religion, who attack science will team up.

The problem is those will also end up being the people who are willing to kill the other people to 'prove' they are right. Not saying Ken Ham is someone who would kill people; just talking about the progression of extremism.

[TurdBerglar]

hmmm

Bill Nye must be reading this board. haha

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zFruNyiUHQ


oops. wrong thread.