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Here's what I THINK the issue is (pure speculation on my part). I don't know if there's any personal beef there but I'm pretty sure I've heard Mike (and maybe other Beasties or affiliates) basically say they're not into 311's music.
This makes a LOT of sense to me if you view 311 through the spectrum of somebody who's heavily into hip hop (which the Beasties were and are). To hip hop "heads", 311 comes off as a rock band who is sticking its toe in hip hop waters. They rap, but they don't really seem to be ingrained in the hip hop culture. You had a whole string of "rap rock" bands getting play in the early to mid 90s, Limp Biscuit, Sublime, etc., and they were "rapping" but they're not really flowing like an MC would be expected to flow per hip hop standards. My take was always that the college alternative crowd (who didn't really know shit about rap) loved 311, but I don't remember 311 ever getting embraced or even mentioned in the hip hop world. You weren't seeing 311 in Source magazine or anything like that. Red Alert and Kid Capri were not playing their records. Most hip hop fans in the 90s (that I knew) resented 311 because they came off as trying to capitalize on hip hop without paying dues. Now, I'm not saying any of this is true or fair. I seriously doubt 311's critics ever listened to much of their music. They just seemed like outsiders based on the way they were trying to rap and therefore pigeonholed as the white dudes trying to make a buck off of rap music. The Beasties, on the other hand, were eventually able to ride that line between punk rock and rap really well. They were originally a hardcore band, but they also knew how to flow on the mic and paid their dues. You're not going to hear many hip hop godfathers saying 311 were great MCs, but you'll hear people like Run DMC, Jay Z, Chuck D, etc. give much respect to the Beastie Boys. So you have bands like 311 come on the scene in the mid 90s and the alternative college rock scene is lumping them in with the Beastie Boys, but the hip hop world looks at 311 as exploiting the culture. This is a sore spot wit the Beasties who've been accused of the same thing but are finally getting their due respect. I wonder whether the Beasties were so close to that line themselves that they didn't want to be associated with 311, Limp Biscuit, etc. because it would shed bad light on them. The other thing is that I assume the Beasties felt like these "rap-rock" bands were biting their style. The Beasties music organically grew into a mesh of punk, rap and soul styles that worked really well. It almost seemed like things naturally fell into place and they created new styles by being themselves. So, when Check Your Head blew up and it seemed like every rock band wanted to rap and have a DJ now (because that's what was considered "cool" at the time) I'm sure the Beasties felt like these rap-rock acts were biting their stuff. So, there's my theory anyway. Last edited by Sir SkratchaLot : 07-12-2018 at 03:31 PM. |
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microdic.. hahaha fuck off
sir scratchalot .. alright.. i grew up with both beasties and 311.. i graduated high school in 96, anyway, and never really compared the two bands it's like adidas and puma or whatever...the grassroots album is maybe my favorite.. they fast tracked and then they went pop or light and cheesy hard rock ..whatever.. still good one or two songs on an album but 311 just not doing it for me these days.. i was still listening to beasties who do it to it for me every time ... except for the last album.. a few good songs but ... anyway hey wtf.. i just love them both more than alot so... nothin else matter. what happened to metallica?
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I don't know if there were any problems before, but the first time I remember hearing about any problems with 311 was from this vulture interview:
http://www.vulture.com/2018/03/mike-...versation.html What’s the worst-case scenario? Not that it’s ever happened, but my fear would be that someone would be like, You love those guys, right?” I’m sure they’re nice people — [their music] isn’t my cup of tea. And it's just an off hand comment, I don't know if it was direct shots being fired. In high school and college years I really liked 311, although I haven't found myself going back and listening to their stuff as much as some other bands, and certainly don't listen to them as much as Beasties, but I was a bit shocked when Mike D said that. I agree with Sir SkratchaLot's theory though. |
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Jesus, who gives a fuck.
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"goatee metal rap please say goodnight"
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Jesus probly gives a fuck... And people who love 311 and Beastie Boys give a fuck too I guess. Both.. i mean all are "very near and dear to my heart.. " -sorry i think that was Julia Roberts that popped in there...um..
so maybe one day we'll all come together and "get high".. Austin Power's finger quote signs.. haha Anyway time's ticking... i need a detective to find all my past friends, make some new ones, and i need my biz to get going but this world sucks and sucks and sucks more and more... here ya go.. "bail out" by dj rogers i'm still here i'm just saying. (i think mike d played that song on little radio that i'm pulling from..) Big ups to Beasties for the little radio show with all kinds of eclectic mind-blowing beauty and good laughs i listen on my thumb drive in the car and can't get enough but ...so all the best folks. love yall even you microdic
Last edited by ericg : 07-13-2018 at 10:03 AM. Reason: pretty sure they're not goatee metal rap but if you labeled them they'd rock that ish and make it look and sound good!!! |
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Who cares, they don’t have to like each other. If this is true.
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lol, 311 was a 90’s gimmick and did not stand the test of time.
Them and sublime get cornier and cornier as time passes. This was a non-thing and then became a very minor thing. Mike D literally said 311 are not his cup of tea and that’s pretty much it. It’s a funny non issue. If you look up beastie Boys on google or maybe iTunes, it will suggest 311 as a similar artist or end up in a “you might like” category. TLDR: Mike D makes music for librarians AND burly jocks. Settle down 311 guy
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Yup. And all these sites tried to make a mountain of a molehill.
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yeah that's true. no big deal to you but it's like .. what's it like? it's like.. to have talent like that in the same room and for there not to be a really good chemistry and experience is such a shame.. i mean.. we're all wasting time.. "the sky is falling..." -hello nasty
so.. my bad errbody! and sorry micodin. i'm a twat sometimes it's only cuz i feel fucked sometimes... but whatever not to bore you with my problems.. peace out ps. oh all those who are cool and get it step forward... not so fast youngremy and half the other fools bent on having poor taste in music haha snl ametuer i know.. pps. 311 will always stand the test of time i wouldn't be such a critic there youngremy....
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To me, and I am genuinely trying not to be an arse.... but more like Adidas and Air Walks.
But in general, and I am sure you are aware as a long time Beastie fan... they tool'd on things that weren't their style or mix of culture. 311 was never Hip Hop - not just in sound or style - but in culture. Even if their logo/brand utilized graffiti style font. It just wasn't. So, the fact that they borrowed a bit of Hip Hop/Reggae/Ska flavor to complete their style - , left them open a bit. Just my dumb opinion! |
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I don't think that I have bothered to see what any of those guys have been up to for over 20 years, but I enjoyed it at the time. Last edited by bigfatlove06 : 08-07-2018 at 11:37 AM. Reason: afterthought |
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they played last night with the offspring in jax but sadly enuff i couldn't go...
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311 in Jacksonville. thats priceless
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Oh, so he’s from Florida. Makes sense.
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Never even heard of 311. But I don't live in the States.
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'fuck the naysayers cuz they don't mean a thing'
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ha.....ericOMG say hi to freddy D and the rest of the go-tee metal-rap posse. maybe some of those Charlottesville boys will make their way down the amber highway too. |
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drugstore cowgirl and amber make my playlist
saw 311 a few years ago and loved it 311 makes up at least 1% of my playlist.
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Sir SkratchaLot nailed it. I just identified with what he said.
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Your point, as I understood it, was that they were more a part of the mid-90's alternative boom of genre smashing (which of course the Bboys practically invented) "They were not hip hop to me, or trying to cash in. They fell into (amazingly diverse) groups like Mr Bungle, Camper Van Beethoven, and Urban Dance Squad who were cross pollinating. Memories... Love them." I mean whatever, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But from my point of view, YOU nailed it. I felt the exact same way about 311 when I was in high school in the mid-90's.
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If you try to look at it from the Beastie's perspective, they came up through old school hip hop ranks. Even as (arguably) one of the most influential groups in hip hop, they had a hard time gaining acceptance from hip hop audiences because they were not black. The culture (especially in the late 80s and 90s) was seen as a black art form and there is a LONG history of white musicians capitalizing off of black music. People were sensitive to that and putting too much emphasis on 3 white guys was seen as taking away from the black artists. So, I think a lot of people wrongfully denied the Beasties the respect they deserved, or never really gave them a chance. Again, I'm not trying to say this applies to every single hip hop fan, I'm just giving you what I perceived to be as the majority view of the hip hop scene. My theory is that the Beasties, having dealt with a lot hip hoppers not wanting to give them respect, and having gained a lot of respect from their hip hop peers by the mid 90s, did not want to upset the apple cart by being associating with 311 or similar bands. That's just the vibe I get from the situation though. It could also very well be that Mike just doesn't dig 311's music. |
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new people are getting turned on to both bands every day in new light so ... and they just like the dope vibes, professionalism, technology and art but honestly who can listen to their music and not like one tune or mix? come the fuck on. 'je suis.. et j'aime.. par 311 and/ or Beastie Boys' is all you had to say here and there wouldn't have been a problem. Mike D is def known for being a provocateur so i give him that... jokes on me fellas.
again, thanx to the few here who were neutral but being a good nazi don't count for shit like a prius or fossil fueled VW ... can you deal with that?
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I was just surprised since they offered 311 up as a potential co-headliner in (what year was that?) '99... I always just assumed they were friends. 311-Music and 311- Grass Roots were as much a secret language the listener gets to decode as either early 90's Bboys record. To my ears, back then. at least.
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