Why have'nt they released HSCPT1 yet?

[pesto pizza]

Why has'nt anyone asked them directly about the HSC other part and if its ever gonna released, recently on the book tours?
There has been enough interviews, just the same tired questions about how they started off as a punk band and how new york used be back in the day

[Late-Night Lion]

Originally Posted by pm0ney

I've always been of the opinion that Hot Sauce Committee Part 1 was a joke. I don't think they ever had more than one full album worth of tracks to release, and that it was no different than their "we recorded Hello Nasty in a submarine" shtick. I wouldn't get my hopes up of ever hearing an album's worth of unheard material from this era.

Originally Posted by Micodin

the difference between part one and two is the mixing and sequencing. and a song or two. that’s it. og mix vs zdar mix.

I agree with both of you, but I do think that the HSC era did result in music that I don't think we've heard yet. Like people have said, I'm sure the OG mix will leak someday, which would have been the original HSCP1. Then if they wanted to release other stuff they worked on during that time they could call it HSCP1...but who knows. And who knows if it's really "completed" tracks. I personally don't mind, I'd love to hear anything from this time.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I always suspected the same as Pm0ney. The whole story about it being Pt2 was crazy sounding and, based on everything (I think) I know about the band, the Pt2 thing was just an inside joke about them re-doing the album with Zdar and they ran with that joke.

I also don't know why they'd release the pre-Zdar mix. They obviously felt it was lacking.

I'd think its more likely that they release tracks they made after Hot Sauce was put out.

[pesto pizza]

Originally Posted by Sir SkratchaLot

I always suspected the same as Pm0ney. The whole story about it being Pt2 was crazy sounding and, based on everything (I think) I know about the band, the Pt2 thing was just an inside joke about them re-doing the album with Zdar and they ran with that joke.

I also don't know why they'd release the pre-Zdar mix. They obviously felt it was lacking.

I'd think its more likely that they release tracks they made after Hot Sauce was put out.

They said the pre - zdar mix sounded "MUDDY" after re-listening to it after time had passed

[Brother McDuff]

the original TMR and Lee Majors that came out (singles?) were pre-Zdar mixes, and they were most definitely muddy. i noticed right away, and thanked my lucky stars when they opted to bring in a pro to re-mix, as they had mixed the original themselves.

[tuc70021]

Originally Posted by Brother McDuff

the original TMR and Lee Majors that came out (singles?) were pre-Zdar mixes, and they were most definitely muddy. i noticed right away, and thanked my lucky stars when they opted to bring in a pro to re-mix, as they had mixed the original themselves.

Try as I might, I've consistently sucked at understanding sound reinforcement. Can someone explain at a 5th grade level why a song would sound "muddy" if some person mixes it, but then nice and clean if someone else remixes it?

I totally agree that the pre-Zdar mixes sound muddy, but.... why? The band plays the music, it goes onto a tape (or onto a hard drive these days), and then they can mix it. Why can't they just follow some standard operating guide for making music not sound like it's played through a gym sock? It is just they don't have the ear for it, but when they hear it done well they're like "Oh shit, that does sound a lot better."?

[brooklyndust]

I'm in the camp that always enjoyed the pre zadar mix of TMR over the "polished" version. Even it was "muddy" I liked the original better version.


I also agree with most of you on there only being one album and them just pushing renaming HSCP1 to #2 to coincide with #2's release date.

The Dylan track and others were possibly never finished with a few other half-finished songs that were possibly going to come out later.

I also agree that 30 + years of music is just fine but I would love to hear and own the pre-zadar mix with the original track order, album cover and lyrics. We know they changed up the lyrics for TMR and Here's a little Something for ya.
That would be equally as great for me as an album of new material.

[3stooges]

Originally Posted by tuc70021

Try as I might, I've consistently sucked at understanding sound reinforcement. Can someone explain at a 5th grade level why a song would sound "muddy" if some person mixes it, but then nice and clean if someone else remixes it?

I totally agree that the pre-Zdar mixes sound muddy, but.... why? The band plays the music, it goes onto a tape (or onto a hard drive these days), and then they can mix it. Why can't they just follow some standard operating guide for making music not sound like it's played through a gym sock? It is just they don't have the ear for it, but when they hear it done well they're like "Oh shit, that does sound a lot better."?

They are artists, not audio engineers. I think they know a lot about mixing, and they are capable of doing it themselves. But I think what happened is they mixed it, and then they were comparing it to other albums that were coming out at the time, and they felt that the mix just didn't stand up next to the mixes of these other albums. I don't know what they used for their original mixes for Hot Sauce, but they seem to always be going for a very warm, analog, 70's kind of mix sound, with the tubes and the tape and old effects units and pedals. Maybe it was just too much of that and it came out a little muddy. You need to be careful with the build up of noise/hiss/distortion as you are layering one warm, fat, funky analog track on top of the other. You can make an album sound like a Funkadelic album from 1971 if you want to. But in 2011, when you compare it to what else is coming out, it would definitely sound muddy in comparison.

There is a Sound On Sound interview with Zdar about that album, where he mentions that MCA was listening to the Cassius album (Zdar's group) and he loved how it sounded. So they brought him in to help them get the sound they wanted. Mixing is not something that is so easy to do, if you are very particular and critical about how your final mix and master should sound. It is a lot of technical work. It is a creative art form, certainly, but requires a great deal of understanding of all the gear, and carving out space for each sound with eq, and always using all this old gear they like to use. You really have to know what you are doing to keep it under control. That's why there are certain people that get a lot of work from top artists. Because there are only so many people that can really do it at that highest level.

[pesto pizza]

Originally Posted by Brother McDuff

the original TMR and Lee Majors that came out (singles?) were pre-Zdar mixes, and they were most definitely muddy. i noticed right away, and thanked my lucky stars when they opted to bring in a pro to re-mix, as they had mixed the original themselves.

Oddly enough l couldnt tell difference between the two versions of lee majors and l definatly prefer the video mix of two many rappers, even though the downloaded version l bought off amazon at the time was shit, l always thought it was amazons fault because it was the first and last download l ever bought, lm a CD man.

[bigfatlove06]

Originally Posted by Sir SkratchaLot

I always suspected the same as Pm0ney. The whole story about it being Pt2 was crazy sounding and, based on everything (I think) I know about the band, the Pt2 thing was just an inside joke about them re-doing the album with Zdar and they ran with that joke.

I also don't know why they'd release the pre-Zdar mix. They obviously felt it was lacking.

I'd think its more likely that they release tracks they made after Hot Sauce was put out.

I was thinking more along the lines that the album was completed and they were already doing press and sending advance copies to DJs for remixes, before it was delayed. So it wasn't like they thought the mixes were unworthy, More so they just decided to tweak things along with the album cover, track listing, title, and whatever else. Even if they never decide to release them as part of a commercial project, those advance copies are still out there somewhere, and eventually they'll surface.

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by bigfatlove06

I was thinking more along the lines that the album was completed and they were already doing press and sending advance copies to DJs for remixes, before it was delayed. So it wasn't like they thought the mixes were unworthy, More so they just decided to tweak things along with the album cover, track listing, title, and whatever else. Even if they never decide to release them as part of a commercial project, those advance copies are still out there somewhere, and eventually they'll surface.

agree completely. they’re out there.

i personally want to hear them because imo the pre-Zdar Part One mixes sound a lot closer to the CYH, IC, HN, Mario C vibes. my fav Beastie eras. The Zdar mixes are a little too slick and modern for my liking. they sound like remixes to me.

[bigfatlove06]

Originally Posted by Micodin

i personally want to hear them because imo the pre-Zdar Part One mixes sound a lot closer to the CYH, IC, HN, Mario C vibes. my fav Beastie eras. The Zdar mixes are a little too slick and modern for my liking. they sound like remixes to me.

That is where my head is. Which versions are better is a matter of preference like Dave790 says. My thing is that I want to hear all of it. We'd all shit ourselves if we got a studio version of Desperado. I know it is not a fair comparison in terms of different versions of songs vs unreleased songs, but the original HSCP1 to me is like a demo. It is a demo that I want to have the same way some of us take the time to compare different pressing of clean versions of Get It Together to spot differences. That's just me though. Not a matter of quality, just a matter of perspective (and love for the band).

[Bradleystp]

Originally Posted by Micodin

agree completely. they’re out there.

i personally want to hear them because imo the pre-Zdar Part One mixes sound a lot closer to the CYH, IC, HN, Mario C vibes. my fav Beastie eras. The Zdar mixes are a little too slick and modern for my liking. they sound like remixes to me.

They allowed people to hear the original. Here is a review from the time.

http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4...committee-pt-1

I loved that cover. I was SO disappointed with the new cover when Part 2 was released.

[pesto pizza]

Originally Posted by Bradleystp

They allowed people to hear the original. Here is a review from the time.

http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4...committee-pt-1

I loved that cover. I was SO disappointed with the new cover when Part 2 was released.

That was good.the end bit of review states this
Hot Sauce Committee Pt. 1 is set for release on September 15th 2009 (and we hear the second part should follow shortly after as it is already mostly recorded too).

[dave790]

Originally Posted by Bradleystp

They allowed people to hear the original. Here is a review from the time.

http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4...committee-pt-1

I loved that cover. I was SO disappointed with the new cover when Part 2 was released.

Correct, although this was more of a preview and (as far as I can remember) the only article of its kind. I don’t think many people have heard the original, within the press or otherwise.

Completely agree re: the cover.

[bigfatlove06]

Originally Posted by Bradleystp

http://drownedinsound.com/in_depth/4...committee-pt-1

Nothing against the person who wrote it, but that review is less useful than a hand me down condom. We've all heard the album. Even if everything was remixed by Zdar, this review doesn't mean dick.