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Re: Adrock and Rick Rubin talk for the first time in decades...
I think what I liked or got out of it the most was the "openness" of RR as the moderator of the discussion, it gave me a small glimpse into how his mind works and how he would be such an amazing collaborator to work with, the way he pushes and explores ideas.
for example when Adam says, "that's another story" and brushes off an idea, Rick stops him and say "tell THAT story". he does this a few times in the podcast to get one of them to share or delve a little further. I imagine that translating into a studio environment, or them just hanging out for hours upon hours coming up with new ideas, with Double R as their guru. I'm not mad at a waltz beat.
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Re: Adrock and Rick Rubin talk for the first time in decades...
Anybody else think it was weird that RR straight up ends the podcast w/ "I love you Adam" and Mike's just like... in the background?
Maybe RR says it enough to Mike, since they apparently still see each-other. It just felt weird to me, and reminded me of all their collective grips that RR always though Mike was expendable. It was really a convo betwixt Adrock & RR, w/ Mike a prominent bit player and Spike like popping his head up above water now and then. (and I loved hearing them all catch up regardless)
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I feel for Rick though. Even if you were kinda the dick, as you get older, you look back and regret all the time you wasted beefing with people for what seems like such a stupid reason. Like I'm sure however Rick pissed off Adam was important at the time, but look at what happened: Beastie Boys went on to the one of the greatest groups in modern times, which I doubt would have happened if Rick had stuck around. He probably just wants to drink some brass monkey and talk about some rope shit with his fellow old-guy friend. |
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still sounds like a private apology from Rick is in order if he desires any sort of relationship at this stage. years are years, but dude tried to screw the band out of a kings ransom, on the back of some serious touring they did in support of that record; or in the least he sat back and allowed russell to do so without intervening. i dunno, theres certainly a whole lot more to it than we know, but on the surface it is still quite grimey.
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Re: Adrock and Rick Rubin talk for the first time in decades...
the interview in that linked article basically proves neither side is willing to budge on their stance or give in. the interviewer brings up the money issue and rick kinda defensively points to CBS rather than him or russell for withholding money. In turn the band responds with, “Unfortunately this recollection does not match up with the reality of the events at that time.”
so did the band never receive anything for LTI once they left? that album sold consistently right up until the music biz went down the toilet. props to them if they really wanted no parts of def jam/rick/russell in anyway but to never have gone after what's really yours especially after paul's boutique when they were just about broke Last edited by Extra Cheese : 07-06-2020 at 11:55 AM. |
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wit sharpens wit, steel sharpens steel |
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Re: Adrock and Rick Rubin talk for the first time in decades...
according to Adam, things really began to unravel when Rick told him that the bboys would be entitled to 10% of the LTI sales, and he and Russell to 90%. the boys were seeing tour money, but almost nothing from physical sales. and eventually Def Jam stopped paying them royalties altogether, claiming they were breaching their contract by not moving forward with the recording of their second contractually obligated album to Def Jam. however, Russell had them on the road for a year straight at the time of that remark, which didn't allow for them to do so over that time anyhow. Russell claims it was at SONY's urging that they withheld those royalties, and has since publicly expressed regret for his choice to do so. an undisclosed settlement was reached out of court, ultimately.
from an article in Complex a coupla years back: Looking back, the two aren't harboring any bitterness towards Simmons and/or Def Jam co-founder Rick Rubin because everything turned out alright. "But that’s because it all worked out," Horovitz said. "Had it not worked out, had we broken up in '87 – and we never got paid by Rick and Russell and Def Jam – it wouldn’t be fine."
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Re: Adrock and Rick Rubin talk for the first time in decades...
Definitely some good points there. I'd be pissed too.
That must have sucked on a few levels too. Imagine you're like 16 year old punk rock kid, hanging out with this super cool guy in his NYC dorm room having all these good times, then you start having these crazy experiences, then you BLOW THE FUCK UP and become international sensations... then one day you kind of realize that this is actually all happening in the mouth of a giant corporate record label and the super cool guys are pretty on board with all of that shit. Then you're not getting nearly as much money as you thought you would (which - to be fair - I feel like very young musician I've ever known believes at some point: that record labels are just going to throw money at them and definitely not bone them out of every nickle they can). Then you realize that the super cool guys want to keep making you do these records as these personas that you've kind of grown to realize are stupid and you hate being. Still though, if things hadn't been so acrimonious, the Beasties might have been trapped a Def Jam even longer and put out White House or some shit, and maybe never would have had the amazing careers they did. I get Adam though - I'm also one of those people who still doesn't just forgive and forget because ultimately things turned out ok. If something was shitty, it stays shitty, even if other things around it turned out well. |
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Re: Adrock and Rick Rubin talk for the first time in decades...
i saw it
I thought it was cool. I still think RR should cut his hair. It was like old friends coming together and they picked up right where they left off.
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Re: Adrock and Rick Rubin talk for the first time in decades...
i thoroughly enjoyed the convo
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Re: Adrock and Rick Rubin talk for the first time in decades...
I recently came across the clip from Fade to Black with Mike at Rick’s studio. I completely forgot about it and was surprised when he showed up (the vid title was something like “Jay-Z and Rick Rubin recording 99 Problems”). So I guess Mike and Rick have at least been civil for a while, and I’d guess there’s even a friendship if Rick was inviting him over to witness Jay-Z lay down a track like 17 years ago.
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