Never saw the Beasties do this.

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by 3stooges

I think if you have the attitude that whites shouldn't say it, you should also say no one should say it.

Or else say it's ok for everyone to say.

But to say some can say it, and some can't, based on race.... that kind of defeats the whole purpose of standing for equality. It's hypocritical.

if anyone is looking for the worst take, this is it. congratulations, you played yourself.

this is on some All Lives Matter type of ignorance.

[dave790]

I see it more as they are just being true to Q-Tip’s rhymes. Those lyrics are how he expressed himself. Ultimately it’s the Beastie Boys name on the IC album, those lyrics are part of it, on the sleeve etc. While you can argue that it changes things if Q-Tip is not there in a live setting, they obviously thought otherwise at the time - or were certainly relaxed about it.

I don’t think there’s any doubt that it would provoke a minor shit-storm if performed that way today though, and I’d have to say with good reason.

Incidentally the energy of those 95 shows is incendiary.

[balohna]

Not gonna go out of my way to defend this. I think they should have subbed other words.

But I do recall that a lot of non-black people thought it was ok to quote the n-word or use the hard r in a historical context, even as recently as the mid 2000s. The “never ever say it” consensus is newer, even if a lot of black people felt that way all along. I had white high school teachers that would say it while teaching history and tons of white kids I knew would rap along to songs with all the n-words.

Not great, but 1995 Mike D quoting Q-Tip’s n-words is not the same as finding out 2020 Mike D says it in his every day life.

[cj hood]

https://youtu.be/SdTMadTi5dU

[3stooges]

Originally Posted by Micodin

if anyone is looking for the worst take, this is it. congratulations, you played yourself.

this is on some All Lives Matter type of ignorance.

Micodin,

Don't put words in my mouth. I would never say All Lives Matter. I know you don't know anything about me, so I will just tell you, I know the difference.

You can do better than resorting to insult and cliche. Don't be afraid to think about things, and say what you think, and why.

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by 3stooges

Micodin,

Don't put words in my mouth. I would never say All Lives Matter. I know you don't know anything about me, so I will just tell you, I know the difference.

You can do better than resorting to insult and cliche. Don't be afraid to think about things, and say what you think, and why.

for HUNDREDS of years black people were called that ugly name and then they flipped it and made it their own. now you’re going to tell them they can’t use the word anymore just because you can’t? FOH with that white man entitlement bro, no one cares.

[dust monkey]

fag and/or faggot are still two of my favorite words

[WesleyOHSnaps!]

I don’t think they actually say the N word. I listened to it three times and it doesn’t sound like they are actually saying it. They sound like they aren’t even saying a full word. Just a uh or something. I don’t know, I can’t imagine they would say it.

I was also at this show and I don’t remember them saying that but I might not remember.

[Jiberish]

Originally Posted by WesleyOHSnaps!

I don’t think they actually say the N word. I listened to it three times and it doesn’t sound like they are actually saying it. They sound like they aren’t even saying a full word. Just a uh or something. I don’t know, I can’t imagine they would say it.

I was also at this show and I don’t remember them saying that but I might not remember.

Nah they definitely say it. Mike says it the first two times but adrock and Yauch are saying stuff under him. Then Mike says it the second time and then Yauch says it the 3rd time. They easily, easily could have replaced it each time. The third time it is not even a rhyming word. So I think it's too bad they made that choice. BUt whatever

I noticed it and was surprised. I'm not gonna defend them. I think it's not cool. Though, I can look at it through the lens of 1995 and agree with most people's hot take on it. I was around then. I said it then. I've been recorded saying it for a bit. I don't think it was cool I said it either.

Aside from that, it's a great performance. It's maybe the best one I've seen. I don't usually like it when Tip tries to do with them. At least the few recordings I've seen. He's having fun, but he fucks up every time.

I love Yauch's weird jagged movements as he finished a verse that ends before the bar is up or whatever.

[Extra Cheese]

Originally Posted by WesleyOHSnaps!

I don’t think they actually say the N word

lol, I don’t know Man, When I listen to the first n-bomb a little too hard I even hear an ‘er at the end lol

We like the band so we’ll give it a pass or even defend it but It ain’t right. I don’t however subscribe to the thought of ‘95 being a different time as an excuse, non black people using it now get shit for it, if Twitter, Instagram, smartphones were around back then I’m sure they would catch heat for it too.

This was posted back back back in the day on these boards, maybe not the same exact show but Using tip’s lyrics when they did it live. I think the tone of the post was the same, some disagree, some agree, some defended it

Personally, I want to hear more from Dr. Dre. I bet the Apollo story was definitely true lol

[dust monkey]

Originally Posted by Extra Cheese

I don’t however subscribe to the thought of ‘95 being a different time as an excuse...

2 cents.

i do subscribe to the thought of different time/different place. better perhaps in some regard, less so in others. i said bad bad things to a lot of people, i rapped along to NWA loud, i quoted chappelle's rick james skit many a time "they gave you ... too much money". today...nope unless alone in my car and nobody next to me at a stoplight. this is part of the reason newish hip hop doesn't appeal to me. not because the bars and beats aren't sometimes better, the word just got harder to rock with the older i get. anyway i def think there's something to different time/different place. having said that, people are so god damned sensitive nowadays i'm just tired of the judging/cancelling for shit that was said 20 years ago. it's gone too far & i'm prob the most liberal leaning person i personally know. it was said, hopefully you learned something and matured and that's it...keep movin'.

i mean how we ever going to get Desperado if things like this are scrutinized....big picture my friends.

[WesleyOHSnaps!]

Originally Posted by Extra Cheese

lol, I don’t know Man, When I listen to the first n-bomb a little too hard I even hear an ‘er at the end lol

We like the band so we’ll give it a pass or even defend it but It ain’t right. I don’t however subscribe to the thought of ‘95 being a different time as an excuse, non black people using it now get shit for it, if Twitter, Instagram, smartphones were around back then I’m sure they would catch heat for it too.

This was posted back back back in the day on these boards, maybe not the same exact show but Using tip’s lyrics when they did it live. I think the tone of the post was the same, some disagree, some agree, some defended it

Personally, I want to hear more from Dr. Dre. I bet the Apollo story was definitely true lol

I by no means was defending them. I was just saying it was hard for me to make it. It’s not cool if they said now or then. I wish they didn’t, but I guess they did and that sucks. But as with the Beastie Boys they would own up to it and apologize for being stupid.

[3stooges]

Originally Posted by Micodin

for HUNDREDS of years black people were called that ugly name and then they flipped it and made it their own. now you’re going to tell them they can’t use the word anymore just because you can’t? FOH with that white man entitlement bro, no one cares.

"Just because I can't?" I don't know? I wasn't talking about myself personally when I made that observation. I don't say it, I don't need to.

And all black folks don't feel the same way about it. There are plenty that wish it had never become a thing.