The "ignore" thread

[QueenAdrock]

Anyone want to have a real debate now?

I'd like to talk about health care, and what you all would like to see done, what Obama should change or promote in his plan.

I'm not sure Canadian-style health insurance would work in America, though I'd like it to. Discuss!

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Originally Posted by QueenAdrock

Anyone want to have a real debate now?

I'd like to talk about health care, and what you all would like to see done, what Obama should change or promote in his plan.

I'm not sure Canadian-style health insurance would work in America, though I'd like it to. Discuss!

I think when the US Government colluded with America's capitalists to start marketing and selling health and well-being aka "wealth and hell-being" (a moral travesty and mistake 1) pandora's box was opened and it is impossible for the US to have what Canada and the United Kingdom currently have (Health Canada's Medicare and NHS Trust respectively). In a sense America's health and well-being was a casualty of greed and immoral free market capitalism. I think most people appreciate that the US health care system does not work for the greatest good -- unfortunately the richest capitalists behind the healthcare industry are not shunned for believing it does work (mistake 2). I cannot see how change is possible. It would be like trying to get rid of the tax system at this point. The only possibility seems sadly to be a genuine revolution (American Revolution Part Deux) over US health care atrocities (e.g., organised protest, avoiding employers who maintain the status quo, changing voting patterns etc). The government and the people should never have sold their rights to healthcare away. It is very sad. I feel sorry for America and their current situation since so many people live their lives without the basic human right to proper health services. Once again, a genuine revolution is the only option at this point. Which is sad as well because of the potential fall out.

So that is my two cents worth -- now let the verbal bashing begin. I expect our friend RobMoney to be the first critic of the statements above but I am not psychic

[RobMoney$]

soo classy.

can you grow up?

[DroppinScience]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

soo classy.

can you grow up?

So much for the ignore button.

[ToucanSpam]

Canadian style health insurance doesn't work very well in Canada, so I would assume the same problems would happen on a larger scale in the United States. The wait times and the shortage of medical professionals come to mind. Of course, it is possible the latter issue would be resolved if both countries agree upon a more appropriate salary for medical professionals.

I shouldn't be complaining about my country's health care system since I have reaped the benefits since birth...

[kaiser soze]

I'm ignoring you la la la la la la la

Anyways I'm not too keen on COBRA, never have been never will be. The shit is expensive and is offered to part time people without medical coverage as an option. Too bad it'll cost them 75% of their paycheck.

reform COBRA or kill it.

[saz]

Originally Posted by ToucanSpam

Canadian style health insurance doesn't work very well in Canada, so I would assume the same problems would happen on a larger scale in the United States. The wait times and the shortage of medical professionals come to mind. Of course, it is possible the latter issue would be resolved if both countries agree upon a more appropriate salary for medical professionals.

I shouldn't be complaining about my country's health care system since I have reaped the benefits since birth...

no it works extremely well. but sure, there are some problems like wait times, thanks in large part to cut backs by the federal government in the 1990s, but the problems aren't as far-fetched as the neo cons make them out to be. my father had serious, major surgery a few years back and we didn't have to wait at all for his operation.

debunking canadian health care myths

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

soo classy.

can you grow up?

I cannot grow up and you are right I am not particularly classy.
But I should point I like when people disagree with me -- sometimes
I learn something new (e.g., a different perspective). When I wrote my comments I did not mean that I did not want to read your thoughts on this debate. I hope that is clearer now.

[RobMoney$]

my comments weren't directed at you, Michelle'sFarm, they were directed at QA.


I come here to debate issues.
When topics start degrading into personal attacks, it's time to end them.

If Lambert and QA want to honestly debate politics, I'm all ears.
But if they're just trying to personally attack me in an effort to discredit my POV on the debate, I think that serves no one.

Why would someone post on a political MB if they weren't interested in hearing an opposing view?

[QueenAdrock]

"You're gay" out of nowhere and having nothing to do with the topic at hand surely is classy, grown up, and everything that Rob$ accuses us of. I wonder if he even sees the hypocrisy. Who knows? Kettle, pot, black, etc.

I'm interested in hearing intelligent, well-thought out opposing viewpoints. I liked Sam I Am, because he was always respectful and would come up with good arguments (regardless of how much I disagreed with his opinion). I like reading saz's and Michelle's comments, too. They're more to the left than I am, and bring a good perspective to the debate. And Documad is more centrist I am, and a logical thinker, so I always enjoy what she has to say, too. Differing opinions are good. Just stealing other people's words and claiming them to be your own, suckling at the teat of FOX News, and pulling the played-out Nazi card against Obama in the most ridiculous way isn't really intellectual debate. If I wanted to hear that stuff, I'd just turn it to Glenn Beck.

Now that that's cleared up, back to the topic at hand. Anyone have any thoughts on how it would affect Canada if the US adopted a similar type of care?

[Schmeltz]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

I come here to debate issues.

No you don't, you come here to copy and paste things other people have written, and then pretend that you're here debating issues. Where do you get off lecturing people about respect and responsibility? Like you're such a shining example of those two virtues.

[Michelle*s_Farm]

Originally Posted by RobMoney$

my comments weren't directed at you, Michelle'sFarm, they were directed at QA.

oops -- thanks for the clarification.

[kaiser soze]

After watching bits and clips of a couple town hall meetings , I'm very curious about the people complaining about government's relationship with healthcare

Are these people asking the government to cancel their medicare?

buduh ching!

[QueenAdrock]

Hey! This was supposed to be a Rob$-free thread!

I agree with COBRA. I had it for a few months since my dad's insurance kicks you off at 21, regardless of student status. $300 a month! THREE HUNDRED! It was absolutely ridiculous.

What I don't like about insurance companies now is the ridiculous deductibles. You either pay a high premium, or a high deductible. When I was looking for new insurance, I saw I could pay $60 a month for BCBS, but the deductible was $5,000. So, if I broke my leg, I'd have to pay that deductible before they paid anything...kinda seems like I don't have insurance in the first place, no?

It just seems ridiculous that they charge so much and make so much profit. I don't know how their CEOs can sleep at night.

[Documad]

Originally Posted by kaiser soze

After watching bits and clips of a couple town hall meetings , I'm very curious about the people complaining about government's relationship with healthcare

Are these people asking the government to cancel their medicare?

buduh ching!

I actually wonder sometimes. Whenever I see clips it seems like the people who are most upset are likely on medicare. They seem old enough. It makes me sad to think that they are getting so worked up about something they clearly don't understand.

I myself have no idea. I would sure like to see a coherent and detailed explanation before a law is passed.

[kaiser soze]

I truly believe they just don't know and are listening to the RICH conservative talking heads who are trying to keep them blind and into thinking "investing" in healthcare is in their best interest

Remember when bush tried to push killing SSI for private investment, do we have any idea how much would have been lost during this recent economic crash?

Seriously these people have no idea what they are fighting....I fear for many it might be their own interests.