Desperado : Tougher Than Leather Mix recreation

[FLO MASTER]

Originally Posted by Sir SkratchaLot

He got it from me.

but as a i recall, i bought it from you on EBAY. I paid somethin like $70 for it. i know you said others sold it ebay and you were mad at them but you did the same thing yourself. I didnt sell it on ebay, i merely resold it on the old beastie ng for a mere $7 a pop, to cover the cost of the cassette and s&h.

[silence7]

Sir SkratchaLot, I don't know all the particulars, but respect for keeping your word for so long. I've been trusted with Beastie goodies over the years, and if I had betrayed people I'm sure the goodies would have stopped coming my way long ago.

I will say though, it HAS been a looong time..

Decision is yours, offer still stands..

The Beastie Boys themselves know about that site and don't have a problem with it.

What'choo talkin' bout Willis? You have some inside scoop I'd love to hear about?

[FLO MASTER]

Originally Posted by silence7

Sir SkratchaLot, I don't know all the particulars, but respect for keeping your word for so long. I've been trusted with Beastie goodies over the years, and if I had betrayed people I'm sure the goodies would have stopped coming my way long ago.

I will say though, it HAS been a looong time..

Decision is yours, offer still stands..




What'choo talkin' bout Willis? You have some inside scoop I'd love to hear about?

how did he keep his word? he sold it on ebay back in 1999.

[Laver1969]

Originally Posted by FLO MASTER

how did he keep his word? he sold it on ebay back in 1999.

We're talking about some mystery Posse track that he supposedly has...and hasn't leaked/shared.

[ClarenceAlabama]

Originally Posted by silence7

What'choo talkin' bout Willis? You have some inside scoop I'd love to hear about?

No, i don't have any inside scoop, but I'd be willing to bet the Beasties know about the best Beastie fan sites around: beastiemixes.com, beastiemania.com, and mictomic.com

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Originally Posted by FLO MASTER

but as a i recall, i bought it from you on EBAY. I paid somethin like $70 for it. i know you said others sold it ebay and you were mad at them but you did the same thing yourself. I didnt sell it on ebay, i merely resold it on the old beastie ng for a mere $7 a pop, to cover the cost of the cassette and s&h.

That's partially correct but it's got the Kenny Temprano judge judy spin on it.

The way the whole thing went down is that I sold a sealed mint copy of MCA and Burzootie on eBay and I threw in a mixtape called "Theories of the Boom Bip" as a freebee. That tape had Deperado on the b-side along with some other rare tracks. Importantly, I previously sold a handful of sealed MCA and Burzootie 12s without the tape and the LEAST I got was $60. Anyway, naively, I threw in the tape thinking if somebody is THAT into the Beasties it would be cool to throw a DJ mix with some rare tracks in. I assumed that anybody even looking for that record would be a huge fan and that's exactly who I was trying to get the rarer tracks to.

Now, had you just bought that record and bootlegged the joint I couldn't complain. It was dumb of me to assume some happy fan would who bought the record would be like "cool tape" and not start up the bootlegging press. BUT HERE'S THE THING, you and I e-mailed about the whole situation. I told you where it came from, that the source was cool with trading it amongst fans but didn't want it sold outright or up on Napster and you said "it is very interesting that you have asked me to keep this to myself. i will. i assure you." Then you immediately put it on eBay and started selling it outright for profit.

None of the other 10 or so people from the boards (Dustin, Princess G, etc.) who I mailed the track to tried to sell it. Anybody who offered to buy the track from me got denied and I was trading it with the hardcore fans for stuff like DJ mixes and other unreleased demos.

The thing is, luckily, that whole poisonous bootleg environment is pretty much dead now, which is maybe one more reason to youtube the possie in effect thing. Anyway, I guess it's my fault more than Kenny's. I mean, seriously, when you take the word of guy who goes by "gwedo king", that's on you, right?

[FLO MASTER]

I just sold it to a few members, to make my money back. I wasnt the one who leaked it onto napster. I didnt even know napster was in existence.

why wouldnt anyone not trust me? afterall, my doc was the beastie boys doc.

i had a few raw deals on the site. sent some punk from baldwin a 12" of so wacha want and he never responded with his part of the bargain. now, thats someone not to trust!

[matttpotter]

Hey guys apologies, I did not mean to start a finger pointing parade. Regardless of who made what off it in the past, personally I'm grateful it got out. Because it might be the only copy that even exists anymore. It's quite possible that if you had not done the leg work and got that copy that I and millions of others would still to this day only have heard that bit from the Tougher Than Leather movie.

Honestly I think it's kind crazy to think that the dude who gave/sold it to you originally did not do the same with anyone else...but in the end... Who cares? What's done is done, and if you are the reason why I got to hear a full version of that song? Personally I thank you for it. I could care less about the posse in effect track honestly. Desperado is what I was and am still interested in hearing a better version. But any version at all at one point was an incredible find and again if it indeed was because of you...thank you very much. How often does one get to thank some one else for something like that? Again If it was because of you I really am grateful. As all these other fucks are.

So ANYWAY....

Anybody got the remix skills to create something close to the tougher than leather version?

First off, the missing pieces broken down. Is that actually Clint Eastwoods voice being sampled saying desperado? I can't quite make it out. Also the "woah woah woah" background vocals. Is that the exact same as the ones used in posse in effect? Just sped up a bit? Then the Good and The Bad and The Ugly theme. It has this scratching on it that is very Rick Rubin Time To Get I'll sounding. Does anyone know how to do that? That scratch sound is like no other, it's so bad ass. It's why I love
Paul Revere so much.

Sorry to beat dead horse on this, but the conversation was getting way of course. I'm an idiot when it come to creating music, I guess I'm wondering If anyone knows if it's even a possible feat?

[Micodin]

To do it correctly one would need all the vocal stems to mix onto the beat they have created/duplicated.

Making the beat and scratching is the less difficult part. But, to make it spot on would take some time and not an easy task by any means.

Without clean sounding accapellas I see your dream remix a dead end.

Sorry, Sport.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

The good thing about that mix is that it's just a beat and acapella. That means adding samples is pretty easy. They'll multi-track in with the raw mix fine. The bad thing is that the quality on the raw mix is rough, and it was dubbed off 1/4" tape onto cassette without any attempt to bring the headroom to normal limits for a cassette. I had to boost the levels from the original cassette considerably, which adds noise. So, bottom line is, it's never going to sound as good as a finished studio mix, no matter what you do.

But, you could definately lay down clean drums under the existing beat and that would increase the apparent sound quality. Drums are layed on top of each other all the time in hip hop production. Then it's just a mater of laying in the samples and cuts. I think the "hooo" sample is custom done for the track. That's a problem.

There are a couple of other threads on this if you do a search. I don't think all of the sample sources have ever been put together.

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by Sir SkratchaLot

The good thing about that mix is that it's just a beat and acapella. That means adding samples is pretty easy. They'll multi-track in with the raw mix fine. The bad thing is that the quality on the raw mix is rough, and it was dubbed off 1/4" tape onto cassette without any attempt to bring the headroom to normal limits for a cassette. I had to boost the levels from the original cassette considerably, which adds noise. So, bottom line is, it's never going to sound as good as a finished studio mix, no matter what you do.

But, you could definately lay down clean drums under the existing beat and that would increase the apparent sound quality. Drums are layed on top of each other all the time in hip hop production. Then it's just a mater of laying in the samples and cuts. I think the "hooo" sample is custom done for the track. That's a problem.

There are a couple of other threads on this if you do a search. I don't think all of the sample sources have ever been put together.

I agree with most of this.

But alas you can't polish a turd. And by this I do not mean the song is shit, but the sound quality is. No matter how much you boost levels and enhance the original song it's still going to have that hiss and a chorus that is pretty much hiss and vocals that are barely there.

Yes, you can layer drums. But that is pretty much going to give you louder drums and burry the vox down even lower. It's like tug of war between the instrumental and the vocal tracks.

The cuts would be the easiest thing to do.

The ho's would have to be recreated by you and your mates.

To do a "recreation" like you asked. I stand by my statement that you need the vocal stems and the music stems to do a proper mix. I'm pretty much sure that those are either lost in someone's storage or more likely gone forever.

As Sir SkratchaLot said previously... bottom line is, it's never going to sound as good as a finished studio mix, no matter what you do.

[Turchinator]

Originally Posted by FLO MASTER

why wouldnt anyone not trust me? afterall, my doc was the beastie boys doc.

you're still talking about this?

[cj hood]

Dustin sold me the PB demos in the 90s for like a $100 and I sold copies to make my money back...

[DJ_Skrilla]

Originally Posted by Turchinator

you're still talking about this?

[cj hood]

a friend of mine, who i didn't even know was a beastie head, posted Desperado from TTL on his FB page. his friend responded and said his uncle was an extra in the movie cuz they used his limo service.....that's an interview waiting to happen.