Vaccine Nation

[yeahwho]

More recent information on vaccines further provides a clearer picture on how incredibly inept much of this information is.

MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield fixed data on autism

Due to this assholes irresponsibilty

people needlessly suffer


I support the right of people to refuse medical treatment for themselves and their dependents as long as they do so in a fully informed way. There has been a significant amount of misinformation spread by the anti-vaccine types who have little to no understanding of the scientific process. While I'll support their rights to display their ignorance to the public I think the blind acceptance of this viewpoint by so many people demonstrates a sad lack of critical thinking skills in the public.

[fucktopgirl]

^ I don't have the time or the will to debate this anymore!

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by fucktopgirl

^ I don't have the time or the will to debate this anymore!

It's pretty hard to debate falsified documentation anyway.

[Schmeltz]

Originally Posted by fucktopgirl

^ I don't have the time or the will to debate this anymore!

You never did. All you had the "time or the will" for was sitting at the computer watching Jenny McCarthy on youtube. As opposed to actually thinking about the ramifications of denying your child proper medical care.

[fucktopgirl]

Whatever ...

[HAL 9000]

Originally Posted by yeahwho

More recent information on vaccines further provides a clearer picture on how incredibly inept much of this information is.

MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield fixed data on autism

Due to this assholes irresponsibilty

people needlessly suffer


I support the right of people to refuse medical treatment for themselves and their dependents as long as they do so in a fully informed way. There has been a significant amount of misinformation spread by the anti-vaccine types who have little to no understanding of the scientific process. While I'll support their rights to display their ignorance to the public I think the blind acceptance of this viewpoint by so many people demonstrates a sad lack of critical thinking skills in the public.

There have been some very serious allegation made against Dr Wakefield this week on top of faking the original data. These include:

1)He was paid very large sums of money buy a law firm to develop a scientific case against MMR to help sue pharmaceuticals. A conflict of interest he never declared
2)He took out patents on single shot vaccines 9 months before the MMR study. The patented vaccines had the potential to become very profitable if the MMR were ever withdrawn. It is noted that Dr Wakefield recommended the withdrawal of MMR on the back of his Lancet paper

A good summary of the investigation here - http://briandeer.com/wakefield-deer.htm

[fucktopgirl]

This totally bollocks. You think you have a convincing thing with this thing?

As much as you dont believe my source of info, i dont believe a crap of yours.

Propaganda.

Japan ban the MMR vaccin

Vaccin failed

[HAL 9000]

Originally Posted by fucktopgirl

This totally bollocks. You think you have a convincing thing with this thing?

As much as you dont believe my source of info, i dont believe a crap of yours.

Propaganda.

Japan ban the MMR vaccin

Vaccin failed

FTP – I should have added that the site I linked to was owned by a journalist. I didn’t because the information in it is easy to verify.

For example – here is the Patent Office record of Wakefields application of 6th June 1997 regarding his new Vaccine.
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?IA=GB1998001637&wo=1998055138&DISPLAY=STATU S

It includes the opening line

The present invention relates to a new vaccine/immunisation for the prevention and/or prophylaxis against measles virus infection

And here is the Freedom of information letter revealing Dr Wakefields receipt of taxpayers money for legal work conducted on MMR in the 90s

http://www.destinationsante.com/IMG/...ass-action.pdf

Still think it's bollocks?

By the way - the links in your post didnt work

[fucktopgirl]

http://www.wddty.com/033638003703755...-bans-mmr.html

http://www.wddty.com/033638003706568...sn-t-work.html


THey should works.

[HAL 9000]

Originally Posted by fucktopgirl

http://www.wddty.com/033638003703755...-bans-mmr.html

http://www.wddty.com/033638003706568...sn-t-work.html


THey should works.

You have posted 2 articles from a sight called “What doctors Don’t Tell You”. Again, I suspect the most important skill that you can learn here is how to research information effectively.

That is not to say that there is not interesting material in these articles. The first accurately reports that Japan banned the MMR in 1993 because the strain of Mumps used was too virulent.

The UK also banned this MMR but instead replaced it with a less virulent version and did not have the problems experienced in Japan – you will note that in all cases the country responded by ensuring the populations safety, shows the controls work. No cover-up, no denial, no big pharma corruption - just fixing the problem as soon as its identified.

Perhaps the most interesting thing about this is this study http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/fulltext/118735419/HTMLSTART

Which shows that the banning of MMR had no impact on autism rates. Again be clear – MMR does not cause Autism.

The second article quotes the underlying study at the bottom – here is the link

http://nejm.highwire.org/cgi/reprint/358/15/1580.pdf. It would be better if you could have posted this and or read it first as it would have made your post look more convincing and would have helped you understand the issue.

The basic premise is fair though – a strain of mumps exists against which the vaccine is not effective unless a further booster is given. Based on this info, what is the best response?

a)Remove the vaccine and expose all members of the population to all possible strains of mumps (as well as other diseases).
b)Administer a booster to the population
c)Research the new strain, develop your vaccine and introduce it to the population.

I would suggest that b and c are the better alternatives. This is also the recommendation of your links paper which states

“A more effective mumps vaccine or changes in vaccine policy <additional boosters> may be needed to avert future outbreaks and achieve the elimination of mumps.”

I have not the time to demolish every link you post, I am desperately trying to get across the value of not just going to a conspiracy website and taking their opinion at face value – read the underlying studies and see what it actually says!

Maybe they will agree with you position and if they do, it will strengthen your case immensely. If you post links to sites like wwdty.com or interviews with playboy chicks it makes your argument look weak – mainly because it is weak. If you cannot find a credible source for your data, it is unlikely to be credible data. Spend the extra 2 minutes it takes to read the source info.

[fucktopgirl]

There we go, a conspiracy website...This website seem pretty good to me, better then the one that yeawho post, if you would ask me.

Why a conspiracy? Because it goes again what you have been fed with all your life. Because it is another point of view which differ from the main stream propaganda.