I wish we could still use this forum to ask for advice

[zippo]

Aww, work environments can always be difficult. I think it's nearly impossible to find one where there's no drama, it's like something inherent to it- in a large group of people there's many similarities but also differences. and I also think it's about how one handles it, and essentially, learns to handle it because experience with this kind of crap can help you a lot. I'm sure whichever job you're in right now it might be better in part because you've learned how to handle certain difficulties, and if not, make sure to remember your past experiences because many patterns repeat: jealousy, gossip, gaslighting, bitchiness, two-facing and the list goes on and on! But these things are always going to exist. It's about how one matures and finds ways to deal with them better.
I would also say that self-reflecting helps a lot as well. You mentioned you like to say what you think and be straight with your opinions about improvements for the company. Getting your points across is also about communication skills and part of that is fine tuning the way you say things and making sure it's assertive and respectful to others.
All in all, sometimes it can be difficult but reminding yourself about your abilities and trying to care less about what others think is helpful as well.
Ughh...work environments

[Miho]

People should stfu and wear a damn mask.

Also hi zippo.

[Dorothy Wood]

Originally Posted by zippo

Aww, work environments can always be difficult. I think it's nearly impossible to find one where there's no drama, it's like something inherent to it- in a large group of people there's many similarities but also differences. and I also think it's about how one handles it, and essentially, learns to handle it because experience with this kind of crap can help you a lot. I'm sure whichever job you're in right now it might be better in part because you've learned how to handle certain difficulties, and if not, make sure to remember your past experiences because many patterns repeat: jealousy, gossip, gaslighting, bitchiness, two-facing and the list goes on and on! But these things are always going to exist. It's about how one matures and finds ways to deal with them better.
I would also say that self-reflecting helps a lot as well. You mentioned you like to say what you think and be straight with your opinions about improvements for the company. Getting your points across is also about communication skills and part of that is fine tuning the way you say things and making sure it's assertive and respectful to others.
All in all, sometimes it can be difficult but reminding yourself about your abilities and trying to care less about what others think is helpful as well.
Ughh...work environments

I think a lot of this is spot on, but I also think that in retrospect, I was in a particularly weird situation. I’m still friends with people I worked with at the first job mentioned, and we’re all kind of traumatized.

One thing I learned from my therapist friend ( who graciously sat down and listened to the whole story without charging me anything) is that some people thrive on chaos. She said I’m always trying to be pragmatic and fix things and improve things and not everyone is like that, some people love mess.

Anyway, accepting that has helped me calm down and realize I can’t control other people and if I want to run a business my way, I have to create my own..which, maybe I’ll try to do one day. My partner has started a business so I’m helping him for now at least.

It’s been a tough two years for me but now I’m in a place where I don’t have a ton of stress at work for the first time since high school, honestly. I work in a department with 7 men in their 40s, 50s and 60s. The first time in a long time that I’ve worked with people with more experience than me, and they know I know my shit and ironically it’s the least sexist and most respectful workspace I’ve been in. Would be cool if it paid more! Lol

[ToucanSpam]

Did you end up finding resolution to this? Tough situation to be in.

[Dorothy Wood]

Originally Posted by ToucanSpam

Did you end up finding resolution to this? Tough situation to be in.

No actually the “better” job environment has degraded significantly. I started therapy to handle the stress and depression that my workplaces have caused. I know that life isn’t fair but I don’t think what I’ve gone through is normal at all. Basically what I’ve learned is that chatty liars are more successful at work than quiet honest people. And I should have trained myself to be manipulative and obnoxious if I wanted to make money. Basically the same shit is happening again. A really loud person with no experience and a ton of bravado is running the company into the ground and if you speak up you’re labeled a “complainer”.

Anyway, looking for another job. Looking to leave my industry because it’s full of assholes.

[abbott]

Originally Posted by Dorothy Wood

No actually the “better”

Anyway, looking for another job. Looking to leave my industry because it’s full of assholes.

so I hated my field because it was so fucked. the sad thing is the truth is there and I know 1/1,000,000,000 of it. but I signed a bunch of non disclosure forms and so you cant know

Non-disclosure + public servant getting paid = you looking for work

dont hate the player, hate the game