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Sir SkratchaLot · #1 03-10-2014, 12:43 PM

That's dope. I love how MCs from the 80s worked on their voices so much more than MCs now and you can tell Mike and Adrock still had a few things to work out still.

tt5brevisited, I think you sped it up a tad too much.

Sir SkratchaLot · #2 03-10-2014, 12:46 PM

Also, anybody notice how the file is "07 Time to Get Ill"? Are there other tracks or is that just the 7th song in the lineup where it was played.

3stooges · #3 03-10-2014, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sir SkratchaLot

tt5brevisited, I think you sped it up a tad too much.

Okay, so the funny thing is, this is from an old ass tape. So it's been stretched.

The mp3 tt5b uploaded is actually a slower average bpm (96.5) than the LTI version (98). It starts off sounding faster, but then it slows down, speeds up. It's up and down. This is just the way these old tapes are.

I did a stretch edit here, to make it an average bpm of 98 to match the LTI version. So if you line these two versions up together, what you'll hear is how the Dre version's tempo is just inconsistent. So the beats should be on time in the beginning of the song, and at the end of the song, but in the middle they are going to be off and on. This is just the nature of the beast with these old tapes. So here it is at 98 bpm (average), same as the LTI version:

http://www.fileswap.com/dl/6Bx2cxgk2F/

3stooges · #4 03-10-2014, 11:32 PM

You know what, second thought, I'm starting to think it shouldn't be the same as the LTI bpm. The voices sound higher don't they ?

I'm thinking they recorded this version at a slower tempo maybe....not as slow as the one on Soundcloud, but slower than the LTI version. I think maybe they did this one, and then they said, let's speed it up a little bit. So they sped up the beat a touch, and then did the new vocals we hear on LTI.

I'm not sure what the ideal tempo is to get the voices right, I guess we'd have to try some different speeds...

tt5brevisited · #5 03-11-2014, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 3stooges

You know what, second thought, I'm starting to think it shouldn't be the same as the LTI bpm. The voices sound higher don't they ?

I'm thinking they recorded this version at a slower tempo maybe....not as slow as the one on Soundcloud, but slower than the LTI version. I think maybe they did this one, and then they said, let's speed it up a little bit. So they sped up the beat a touch, and then did the new vocals we hear on LTI.

I'm not sure what the ideal tempo is to get the voices right, I guess we'd have to try some different speeds...

We would have to know exactly what went on in the studio (and recording from radio), but I think best thing to do is tune/pitch match the vocals with the album version (or some of their 1985 tracks even) cause indeed they could've messed with BPM or tape speed when recording the album version. Sudden tempo variation might also be due to tape edits or manually start/stop drum machines etc.

When I try to tempo match it with the album version vocals start to sound too high in pitch so yeah most likely the album version was recorded to a higher BPM or tape speed.

Laver1969 · #6 03-11-2014, 04:54 AM

IMO with TT5B's tweak the voices sound very similar to Rock Hard and Beastie Groove. And their voices on those two tracks always sounded just a bit higher than on LTI. So...I think this could be pre-LTI if TT5B's tweak is on the money. And I think it is. Just my 2 cents...

Jiberish · #7 03-11-2014, 07:26 AM

I got more rhymes then "WHO?" Phyllis Diller.

love the little differences.

Sir SkratchaLot · #8 03-11-2014, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 3stooges

You know what, second thought, I'm starting to think it shouldn't be the same as the LTI bpm. The voices sound higher don't they ?

I'm thinking they recorded this version at a slower tempo maybe....not as slow as the one on Soundcloud, but slower than the LTI version. I think maybe they did this one, and then they said, let's speed it up a little bit. So they sped up the beat a touch, and then did the new vocals we hear on LTI.

I'm not sure what the ideal tempo is to get the voices right, I guess we'd have to try some different speeds...

This is what my ear/instinct is telling me. I was going by the pitch of their voices. I've been DJing forever so I'm used to hearing various pitches. Matching the tempo to the LTI album version sounds too high to my ear. My guess is that this demo has a slower tempo than the ablum version but not as slow as the original file.