The Vault Index

[Brother McDuff]

Originally Posted by dave790

That aside I've always thought most the "vault" speculation is just that: speculation.

i think the idea of an actual physical "vault" is merely just a metaphor for the sum of their unreleased material. i doubt an actual vault exists. perhaps a few storage spaces, if anything.

on a sidenote, i do remember them mentioning at one point that they have a space of unreleased material that they unfondly referred to as the "crap factory".

and lastly, for the record, my initial reference to HSC pt.1 was in regards to the 2nd album's worth of material they had mentioned during the time of pt. 2's release. i dont think it is any mystery that there was another LP in the pipeline; thought they addressed that on more than one occassion, i.e. the 'showering fans with mp3s' interview. and dont forget the bob dylan sample from his radio show and mike's fart spray cologne. kinda shocked that this topic is still being debated.

[Kid Presentable]

Originally Posted by Brother McDuff

and lastly, for the record, my initial reference to HSC pt.1 was in regards to the 2nd album's worth of material they had mentioned during the time of pt. 2's release. i dont think it is any mystery that there was another LP in the pipeline; thought they addressed that on more than one occassion, i.e. the 'showering fans with mp3s' interview. and dont forget the bob dylan sample from his radio show and mike's fart spray cologne. kinda shocked that this topic is still being debated.

Agreed. It was addressed so many times, and it wasn't the 'goofing' type of insight.

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by Brother McDuff

kinda shocked that this topic is still being debated.

Well, there's a grip of people on here that are either in denial or talk out of their ass.

[Brother McDuff]

could be wishful thinking getting the best of me, but i strongly feel we'll see another release or two from the bboy catalog before all is said and done. for a considerably adventurous band that notoriously released albums at nearly half the rate as typical acts, it's undeniable how much material they must have compiled over the years and just too fitting of an opportunity for a band that gets it's jollies from doing fun creative things for its fans. tons of opportunity.

i also cant shake the remark mario made after Yauch's passing about all the unused beastie material he'd been sifting through, some of which was really solid stuff.

[dave790]

Originally Posted by Brother McDuff

i think the idea of an actual physical "vault" is merely just a metaphor for the sum of their unreleased material. i doubt an actual vault exists. perhaps a few storage spaces, if anything.

on a sidenote, i do remember them mentioning at one point that they have a space of unreleased material that they unfondly referred to as the "crap factory".

and lastly, for the record, my initial reference to HSC pt.1 was in regards to the 2nd album's worth of material they had mentioned during the time of pt. 2's release. i dont think it is any mystery that there was another LP in the pipeline; thought they addressed that on more than one occassion, i.e. the 'showering fans with mp3s' interview. and dont forget the bob dylan sample from his radio show and mike's fart spray cologne. kinda shocked that this topic is still being debated.

Oh I agree, I always just assumed 'vault' was accepted terminology for referencing unreleased material / projects. Though that would be cool though, I wonder if either Mike or Adam ever trifle through the Crap Factory from time to time.

And yes that's what I thought (in regards to the existence of another albums worth of material). It seemed crystal clear from said interview with Mike, and the Bob Dylan thing sounded very Beastie-plausible. I didn't mean to relaunch the debate, I'm just wary that the albums existence has always seemed to be inexplicably questioned.

edit: On another note, do you think any of the HSC 2009 editions were actually printed? I'd like to think there are a few promo copies knocking about with the original mix / track-listing, but then I also think something would have surfaced or leaked by now. It remains quite the curio worth owning / hearing for me.

[Brother McDuff]

Originally Posted by dave790

edit: On another note, do you think any of the HSC 2009 editions were actually printed? I'd like to think there are a few promo copies knocking about with the original mix / track-listing, but then I also think something would have surfaced or leaked by now. It remains quite the curio worth owning / hearing for me.

Originally Posted by Micodin

My point is there is a version of Part 1 that exists without the mix of Zdar. It's real and living on people's hard drives. It might be the same songs, but it sounds sonically different.

The first version, as previously stated, was the mixdown the beasties had done themselves. If you recall the original mixes of Too Many Rappers, Lee Majors Come Again, and even Pop Your Balloon, they sounded pretty awful by comparison. Lee Majors was a gritty track in general, so that one wasnt as much of an issue either way. While the Zdar mixes aren't necessarily mind-blowing by any means (still prefer Mario's sound), the contrast between the 1st and 2nd mixdown are night and day. I guess its a matter of opinion, but im certainly not dying to hear (what i like to call) the "rough mix" edition.

[Micodin]

I like to call Part 1 the "original mix".

Zdar's redlining overblown mix is tough to handle at times. And that's why HSCP2 gets the least amount of spins from me in their catalog.

And that's why they make chocolate and vanilla Pudding Pops.

[tuc70021]

Time for my semi-annual post....

I'm not debating anyone's post because this is obviously a fun and opinion-driven thread; just adding my two cents.

It's always interesting when "lost" recordings or unreleased recordings are let loose, like when the Paul's Boutique demos became more wide spread. But there's also something nice about knowing that something unreleased exists and never hearing it.

Firstly, unreleased material lets the artist keep a little something for himself. A lot of us grew up on the Beasties and have a deep connection to a lot of their work. But just imagine how they feel. They made that shit. Who knows, but maybe Mike and Adam occasionally listen to some bullshit studio tapes and get to have a piece of their history back that no one else has heard (besides Mario maybe). It's like whispering to yourself from the past.

Then there's what I think of as the anti-Richard Branson effect. I've got no problems with the guy, other than that he bought an uninhabited Island and built a resort for himself on it. I dunno why that bothers me so much. I just think it's great that there is mystery in this world, and sometimes (*sometimes*) it's nice to leave it be and just wonder about it. I can't even imagine how much cool shit has never been released by the b-boys. But as long as it's never released, it's still super cool shit - it never becomes a "crap factory" as the boys call it themselves.

Finally, I think music was a little different back then. Albums were.... like.... things. There were b-sides, but there wasn't this unrelenting torrent of remixing and special releases and instant access to shit. The Beastie Boys have a canon. They have an audio legacy. Leaks are nice sometimes, but too much can sort of dilute it. I love Car Thief, and the demos are cool too, but it does kind of take away from the "official" version when you hear multiple demos. It's like "Oh, that line was just kind of recycled a few times." When all you have is the PB album version, it's like... whoa.... this is some unique shit.

Anyway, just thinking out loud. Switching gears, I secretly suspect there is some sort of secret submarine recording DAT tape floating around somewhere. It would be pretty Beastie-esque to actually made a submarine album, then say they made it, then never release it. Everyone would be like "Ha ha, very funny. The ol' we made a submarine album gag huh?" No one would take it seriously, and they'd be laughing at all of us, just like they did in every interview they ever gave. THAT.... would be some cool shit.

[dave790]

Originally Posted by Brother McDuff

The first version, as previously stated, was the mixdown the beasties had done themselves. If you recall the original mixes of Too Many Rappers, Lee Majors Come Again, and even Pop Your Balloon, they sounded pretty awful by comparison. Lee Majors was a gritty track in general, so that one wasnt as much of an issue either way. While the Zdar mixes aren't necessarily mind-blowing by any means (still prefer Mario's sound), the contrast between the 1st and 2nd mixdown are night and day. I guess its a matter of opinion, but im certainly not dying to hear (what i like to call) the "rough mix" edition.

Definitely a matter of opinion. I'm not a huge fan of the final mix, though I have little to compare it to. I had no problem with the 2009 songs which were released though, there was an eerie lo-fi quality to them and a nice off-kilter reverb. I don't think Zdar has particularly butchered anything - for most of the songs it is impossible to say, as mentioned - aside from Lee Majors which sounds ridiculous, but I would like to reserve my opinion of contrast until the original surfaces in all it's (probable) glory.

I have to appreciate maybe hard copies were never pressed. The early 'reviews' were probably listening sessions under tight controls. I read a few reviews of TT5B which referred to a room of chairs, separate headphones, and bag/body searches before entering and before leaving. Mental.

[Micodin]

Originally Posted by dave790

I have to appreciate maybe hard copies were never pressed. The early 'reviews' were probably listening sessions under tight controls. I read a few reviews of TT5B which referred to a room of chairs, separate headphones, and bag/body searches before entering and before leaving. Mental.

For TT5B listening sessions for reviewers they had 6 to 10 Apple iMacs (the bubble joints) with the album on it on a table with chairs and headphones. They tried their hardest to prevent leaks. For HSCP1 they pretty much did the same but the reviewer had to listen to the record on a iPod in the room with a Capital staffer. Crazy pills.

Diplo, Z-Trip and other DJs/remixers either got the entire album (HSCP1) sent to them digital or on a burned cd. They got a early peak of the record to see what songs they would be interested in remixing. (Just a little info I got from one of my DJ/remixer pals that was asked to do a remix).

[paulb]

The Gala Show filmed at the Riviera in Chicago....

The Mix Up Part 2 with guest vocalists singing over the The Mix Up instrumentals featuring Jarvis Cocker, MIA and Snoop Dogg....

[Brother McDuff]

Originally Posted by paulb

The Mix Up Part 2 with guest vocalists singing over the The Mix Up instrumentals featuring Jarvis Cocker, MIA and Snoop Dogg....

thats a great one

[Rodie]

Originally Posted by paulb

The Gala Show filmed at the Riviera in Chicago....

The Mix Up Part 2 with guest vocalists singing over the The Mix Up instrumentals featuring Jarvis Cocker, MIA and Snoop Dogg....

Damn I can't believe I forgot that one.

I'd love to see more alternate takes like That's It That's All with the peppermint schnapps lyrics or Professor Booty with the Serch for your dick lyrics.

[pshabi]

Originally Posted by dave790

Oh I agree, I always just assumed 'vault' was accepted terminology for referencing unreleased material / projects. Though that would be cool though, I wonder if either Mike or Adam ever trifle through the Crap Factory from time to time.

And yes that's what I thought (in regards to the existence of another albums worth of material). It seemed crystal clear from said interview with Mike, and the Bob Dylan thing sounded very Beastie-plausible. I didn't mean to relaunch the debate, I'm just wary that the albums existence has always seemed to be inexplicably questioned.

edit: On another note, do you think any of the HSC 2009 editions were actually printed? I'd like to think there are a few promo copies knocking about with the original mix / track-listing, but then I also think something would have surfaced or leaked by now. It remains quite the curio worth owning / hearing for me.

Fyi.....the whole "vault" terminology came about because the BBoys themselves talked about releasing some Unreleased stuff in an email back in the day. It was in the HN era.

I always kinda assumed that most of that stuff was what they included on the HN reissue.

[dave790]

Originally Posted by Micodin

For TT5B listening sessions for reviewers they had 6 to 10 Apple iMacs (the bubble joints) with the album on it on a table with chairs and headphones. They tried their hardest to prevent leaks. For HSCP1 they pretty much did the same but the reviewer had to listen to the record on a iPod in the room with a Capital staffer. Crazy pills.

Diplo, Z-Trip and other DJs/remixers either got the entire album (HSCP1) sent to them digital or on a burned cd. They got a early peak of the record to see what songs they would be interested in remixing. (Just a little info I got from one of my DJ/remixer pals that was asked to do a remix).

Originally Posted by pshabi

Fyi.....the whole "vault" terminology came about because the BBoys themselves talked about releasing some Unreleased stuff in an email back in the day. It was in the HN era.

I always kinda assumed that most of that stuff was what they included on the HN reissue.

Unknown info for dave790 on both counts, cheers.

[Brass Monk]

Is double check your head the only place to find the alternate professor booty lyrics?
Is there a whole other verse or just 1 rhyme?
(the "serch for your dick but I bet it's too small" line)

[camo]

Originally Posted by Brass Monk

Is double check your head the only place to find the alternate professor booty lyrics?
Is there a whole other verse or just 1 rhyme?
(the "serch for your dick but I bet it's too small" line)

It's the only place that I know of and it's the whole verse.

All in all Double check your head is a sweet deal

[Brass Monk]

Originally Posted by camo

It's the only place that I know of and it's the whole verse.

All in all Double check your head is a sweet deal

Thx, I'll go ahead and download that album. The version I heard just has that 1 line that was different than the original.

[cj hood]

......

[Rodie]

Bumping this thread in case they need ideas for the "Bonus Batter"