Vaccine Nation

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Documad

Hello? What more do you need than Jenny McCarthy's personal opinion? She's an expert. I know because I've seen her on all the talk shows.

larry king once listened to her. king!

[Documad]

Originally Posted by Bob

larry king once listened to her. king!

Exactly! Case closed!

What the fuck is wrong with Peachy???

[fucktopgirl]

^ WOW, you guys line jenny.

But what about the documentary. Nobody really talk about it.

[HAL 9000]

Didn’t really watch the documentary as is was made by the AIDS DENIALIST and alternative health fraud Gary Null.

http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

http://scienceblogs.com/denialism/2008/04/now_its_officialgary_null_hiv.php

http://www.garynull.com/GNbooks.php


Edit – I would normally consider it a logical fallacy to assume because a person is wrong about A they are also wrong about ‘B’ (Poisoning the Well Fallacy or some form of ad hominem). In this case though it is relevant because the guy is saying that traditional / ‘evidence based’ medicine does not work in order to create a market for his bogus pills and supplements (as shown here - http://www.gnhealthyliving.com/Scripts/default.asp).

[ms.peachy]

Originally Posted by HAL 9000

made by the AIDS DENIALIST and alternative health fraud Gary Null.

Oh lordy, I didn't realise that nutjob was behind this. I probably should have guessed though.

[fucktopgirl]

Heh, the guy just like alternative medecine , sport, vitamines, yoga. He don't like pharmaceutical drugs and companies because they do exist to make profit.

So they objective is not your health per se, but to make monayyyyy!

I think it is a ok view.

About the aids things, i have to go check the video.

[ms.peachy]

He is a fraud and a peddler of pseudoscience who misrepresents himself and his qualifications, and makes a ton of money off of vulnerable, desperate people.

[HAL 9000]

Originally Posted by fucktopgirl

Heh, the guy just like alternative medecine , sport, vitamines, yoga. He don't like pharmaceutical drugs and companies because they do exist to make profit.

So they objective is not your health per se, but to make monayyyyy!

I think it is a ok view.

About the aids things, i have to go check the video.

It is true that pharmaceuticals seek to make money, but that does not make them evil! They are heavily regulated which means all the treatments they (and the health professionals) offer have to undergo two tests (hence evidence based medicine).

1. They have to demonstrate that they offer a health benefit greater than that of a similarly administered placebo

2. They have to understand the side effects and benefits of any treatment.

The word 'alternative' in front of a health pill or supplement means it has FAILED TEST 1 and has not had to undergo test 2. I wonder what studies have been done on the long term impact of 'Dr' Null's "Detox package" or his "Brainy Pills". Whilst vaccines have been shown not to cause things like autism, these treatments have not been tested at all? So here is the issue - how is it that so many people including yourself, end up being more suspicious of the tested and regulated treatments than the untested and unregulated ones? Everyone in the industry is seeking to make money, which is why controls, testing, monitoring, peer review and regulation are important - vaccines are subject to such a regulatory regime.

This is not to say that alternative treatment does not have a place in medicine, indeed, any doctor will tell you the benefit of healthy eating, stress reduction and exercise (and placebo treatments may have a place too), but what guys like this do is tell you not to take treatments that have been proven to be effective and are subject to tight regulation and instead buy their products which can not been shown to have benefits and which no understanding of side effects exist. He makes money by telling you to stop well regulated effective treatments and start unregulated ineffective ones.

That does not seem harmless to me and in the case of the vaccine bullshit - people (mostly children) are getting sick and dying as a result.

[EN[i]GMA]

Originally Posted by fucktopgirl

Heh, the guy just like alternative medecine , sport, vitamines, yoga. He don't like pharmaceutical drugs and companies because they do exist to make profit.

So they objective is not your health per se, but to make monayyyyy!

And you think the guy who made this video doesn't make money?

You think the people in the New Age health movement do this stuff out of charity?

Or do you think they just have created a business to pray on people like you, people skeptical of "big business"?