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I'm perplexed why the corporate health insurance companies can profit as much as they do. The similarities to the mortgage crisis are there, the lobbying by pharmaceuticals and health insurance companies is equal to creditors and bankers.
The Blue Dogs are telling us one thing by saying they are fiscally conservative yet on the other hand they are personally fiscally liberal on corporate handouts. Just on a human level, I find the profit motive to be fucked up on health care here on earth. In the long run we have filled emergency rooms with homeless and transient people, we're storing mentally ill people in jails and when they're out of jail they're looking at you for the next ticket back to a cot and a hot meal. That is dangerous, expensive and morally bankrupt. This is America?
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Thanks for summing everything up perfectly, sazi!
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Show me these polls that show Americans consistently want Nationalized Healthcare. Because I dispute that. Obama's approval ratings are dropping faster than the Titanic. He's trying to push this through before they can get any worse. It reeks of desperation. Hell, even Obama's own party isn't sure they want it, how can you claim it's what most americans want?
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"When given a choice of the current system or one "like Medicare that is run by the government and financed by taxpayers," voters overwhelmingly chose the latter. A solid majority (59%) say they would prefer a national health insurance program that covers everyone, over the current system of private insurance offered to most through their emloyer." link Americans are more likely today to embrace the idea of the government providing health insurance than they were 30 years ago. 59% say the government should provide national health insurance, including 49% who say such insurance should cover all medical problems. link "....local ballot initiatives supporting single payer and opposing individual mandates passed by landslide margins in all ten legislative districts where they appeared. With almost all precincts tallied, roughly 73 percent of 181,000 voters in the ten districts voted YES...." link 9. Do you think it's the government's responsibility to make sure that everyone in the United States has adequate health-care, or don't you think so? In Pennsylvania; Yes 65%, No 31%, NA/DK 4% link "...59 percent of them 'support government legislation to establish national health insurance,' while 32 percent oppose it and 9 percent are neutral." link 14. "Which comes closest to your view? 34% - The United States should continue the current health insurance system in which most people get their health insurance from private employers, but some people have no insurance 65% - The United States should adopt a universal health insurance program in which everyone is covered under a program like Medicare that is run by the government and financed by taxpayers 2% - Refused / Not Answered" link 30. Do you think the government should provide a national health insurance program for all Americans, even if this would require higher taxes? 64% - Yes, 35% - No, 2% - No opinion link 27. Do you think the federal government should guarantee health insurance for all Americans, or isn't this the responsibility of the federal government? 64% - Guarantee 27% - Not responsibility 9% - DK/NA 30. If you had to choose, which do you think is more important for the country to do right now, maintain the tax cuts enacted in recent years or make sure all Americans have access to health care? 18% - Cutting taxes 76% - Access to health insurance 1% - Neither 2% - Both 4% - DK/NA link 49. Which would you prefer – (the current health insurance system in the United States, in which most people get their health insurance from private employers, but some people have no insurance); or (a universal health insurance program, in which everyone is covered under a program like Medicare that's run by the government and financed by taxpayers?) 62 % Universal 33% Current 6% No opinion link |
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The polls are all over the place, in part because they never say what it will cost and what we might have to give up.
I'd like to see surveys of people in my state where the people are asked how much they would pay the government for health insurance that didn't allow them to see the doctor of their choice when they want to see him/her. And how much they are willing to pay for other people's medical care if they decide to opt for private insurance. Not that I think that nationalized medical care is all bad. I'd be fine with some rationing. I frankly have co-workers who go to the doctor too often with their kids. I hate paying for that. The kids in my family rarely saw a doctor unless it was for shots before school. |
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ah no, they're not all over the place. they clearly demonstrate that throughout this decade, a consistent majority of americans want public health insurance, and are willing to pay higher taxes if necessary. and you're citing a b.s. right-wing myth. with public health insurance, i can see any doctor of my choosing.
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I'm curious? You can see any doctor you want in your country? How do they stop everyone from wanting to see the same doctor? Do they force all doctors to take patients in the public health system? To take every patient who wants to see them? That's so different from what my family members in the UK experienced. |
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no, doctors aren't forced to do anything. canada isn't a communist country. |
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Seriously, I appreciate your effort. But I think a polls taken from before Obama was even sworn into office are not a true indication of current opinions. Here's a report from Rasmussen dated July 28, 2009 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...asses_congress Quote:
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well rob, just last month, 72% of americans polled supported a public option. seems to me then the advertising blitz of b.s. attack ads spearheaded by private insurance firms and other corporate interests have so far been effective. i think it's sad that americans won't have a basic human right that the rest of the western industrialized world has.
Poll: Most Back Public Health Care Option CBS News/New York Times Survey Shows Most Americans Approve Of Government Intervention In Health Care Coverage (CBS) A clear majority of Americans -- 72 percent -- support a government-sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds. Most also think the government would do a better job than private industry at keeping down costs and believe that the government should guarantee health care for all Americans. The new poll shows the idea of a government-sponsored plan, or "public option," to be fair non-controversial, though Democrats in the Senate have considered nixing the proposal in order to win Republican support for the bill. House leaders on Friday unveiled a health care reform plan that includes a public option. link |
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again, were confusing health care with health insurance. Every American has access to healthcare. Allow me to repeat that for the non-Americans... Every American has the ability to walk into a hospital and will recieve medical attention at any time, even if they are destitute.. The issue is how to pay for it.
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