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Old 09-02-2017, 06:18 PM
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Just heard "Sabotage" used in a digital banner ad for Destiny 2...I've heard it in movies before...but this seemed odd...

clicked on the ad...

https://www.destinythegame.com/landi...unch-USDisplay



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Old 09-04-2017, 08:38 AM
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Movies are all good because they are definitely paying to use it and it is not advertising.
Advertising is a whole other ballpark and in almost all cases forbidden.
You may have stumbled on a case where a song is being used illegally.. or maybe not because the band nay have approved the use for a videogame, which is similar to a movie in that it is not a physical product as much as it is an intellectual property



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Old 09-04-2017, 09:13 AM
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Yeah, the line between being used for "art" and advertising seems to have been pretty blurry with the Beasties. Their songs have been used in very commercially-driven movies before, and as a result, are also used in the promotional materials for those movies.

I think their big beef was with using their songs to sell products with the music contributing nothing in an artistic sense. That's why they had that problem with Monster Energy (also because Monster didn't clear anything with them).

I think they do a great job of maintaining their music's integrity without acting like their songs are sacred hymns that should never be used for commercial reasons. I love hearing a random Beastie song in a movie or somewhere where I least expect it, but I'm also glad that I don't see ads for Slim Jims with So What'cha Want playing in the background.
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Old 09-04-2017, 07:02 PM
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Director wrote to them.

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Old 09-05-2017, 10:57 AM
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Old 09-06-2017, 10:29 AM
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I always thought movies were cool, because of Yauch's connection with film making.



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Old 09-08-2017, 08:24 PM
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Thanks for finding/sharing the story on the Director writing to the fellas. Glad its all good.



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Old 09-09-2017, 10:41 AM
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nice....seems like chances of securing those precious rights are greater when asking for sabotage.

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Old 09-20-2017, 07:18 AM
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The movies I could understand. Yauch himself on these boards said movies are different to him when allowing rights to their music. But by their very own words (really their lawyers' words but nonetheless) when they put out a statement on the whole Goldie "girls" parody

"As creative as it is, make no mistake, your video is an advertisement that is designed to sell a product, and long ago, we made a conscious decision not to permit our music and/or name to be used in product ads"

I personally cannot understand how that statement wouldn't be applied to the Destiny video game. It is a product.
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Old 09-20-2017, 08:10 AM
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The movies I could understand. Yauch himself on these boards said movies are different to him when allowing rights to their music. But by their very own words (really their lawyers' words but nonetheless) when they put out a statement on the whole Goldie "girls" parody

"As creative as it is, make no mistake, your video is an advertisement that is designed to sell a product, and long ago, we made a conscious decision not to permit our music and/or name to be used in product ads"

I personally cannot understand how that statement wouldn't be applied to the Destiny video game. It is a product.
But Yauch played games. If all three (Dechen, Mike, Adam) signed off then I guess that's that. We don't know the conditions of approval.

Edit: I agree though; it is a product and they have forbidden that previously. It may be a catch-all for when the usage is unauthorised?



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Old 09-20-2017, 09:53 AM
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But Yauch played games. If all three (Dechen, Mike, Adam) signed off then I guess that's that. We don't know the conditions of approval.
I don't see Yauch playing games as a reason for doing anything. He also ate food, wore clothes, and traveled. If a song appeared in ad for pizza, sneakers, or uber I think it would raise some eyebrows going back to his request in his will. The only difference I see in terms or using beastie boys music between monster or Goldie or destiny is that destiny sought out the rights to use the music in their product ad where as the others simply tried using fair use or some loophole.

You're right that we don't know the conditions of THEIR(the band and his wife) approval but we do Know Yauch's request that his music not be used for advertising. That we do know.

They're allowed to do whatever they want, my whole thing is that there's always going to be questions raised when the band's music appears in commercials especially after Yauch's will made headlines after his death for not allowing his music in advertising
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Old 09-20-2017, 10:04 AM
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I don't see Yauch playing games as a reason for doing anything. He also ate food, wore clothes, and traveled. If a song appeared in ad for pizza, sneakers, or uber I think it would raise some eyebrows going back to his request in his will. The only difference I see in terms or using beastie boys music between monster or Goldie or destiny is that destiny sought out the rights to use the music in their product ad where as the others simply tried using fair use or some loophole.

You're right that we don't know the conditions of THEIR(the band and his wife) approval but we do Know Yauch's request that his music not be used for advertising. That we do know.

They're allowed to do whatever they want, my whole thing is that there's always going to be questions raised when the band's music appears in commercials especially after Yauch's will made headlines after his death for not allowing his music in advertising
Agreed. The will only made headlines for its intent, though. It's not legally enforceable. From a perspective of respecting his wishes, the request for use in this case made it through the necessary channels, was given consideration and approved.

They all obviously agreed the raised eyebrows were a side-effect they could stand to bear. It just makes me question it less as things like this crop up. It's their IP. The man's widow is comfortable with it.



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