Jay-z is most likely better than your favorite rapper

[Auton]

it's true. discuss.

[Auton]

next? ok. Ghostface Killah is most likely better than your favorite rapper too.

[cosmo105]

but you're my favorite rapper, Ed.

:p:p:p

[Auton]

i most definitely rest my case then.

[rob20]

fat joe is the best rapper, lol, he could literally eat jay-z

[mickill]

I'm just going to be blunt.

If you honestly think what Jay-Z does is simple and that MC homobackpackbookwormnerdcorepuristhiphoproboticsci entist is better, then you seriously don't know the first thing about rap or hip hop culture. Period. Seriously. You know NOTHING. At ALL. End of story.

[Auton]

good thing you're just kidding.

[LOBSTER PRIZE!]

OH, AND, the best US rapper ever to breath onto a mic is Prime Minister Pete Nice.


wow...I havent heard that name in years.

[Mr Films]

Jay retired right when I was getting into him.

I own:

Black Album
Blueprint
and
Vol. 2 Hard Knock Life

what should I buy next?

[LOBSTER PRIZE!]

Reasonable Doubt, Vol 1, Vol 3, The Dynasty

[mickill]

Go get his Dust to Dust album. You'll thank me later.
What about Dust to Dust? The album is fine, but if you think that Pete Nice is a better rapper than Jay, then you're just certifiably mentally retarded. Seriously. Pete wasn't even that sick for his own time, nevermind now. This was in '93, when dude's were pushing themselves into another orbit with rhymes (Heiro, Organized Konfusion, Ras Kass etc), and the best rapper you can pull from that era is Pete Nice? Seriously.

I am trying to be patient with you people.

[Mr Films]

come on the track like duh duh duh duh

[Auton]

oh, and mike, you were absolutely correct about Friend or Foe

[mickill]

THANK YOU.

Now please tell Films here how essential Reasonable Doubt is.

[Auton]

indispensable. it really is brilliant.

[tdot04]

What pisses me off the most is whenever I log onto SoulSeek, it throws me into the Underground Hip-Hop room, and more often than not, some fool is saying something like "JAY-Z IS A HOMO!! O.C IS THE BEST RAPPER EVR!!!1!11"

Anyone who thinks Jay-Z is wack gets the gas face.

[saz]

what about biggie? and krs-one and chuck d?

[mickill]

I like Chuck a lot, but he was always kinda one-dimensional. He wasn't very versatile. Now, PE, they're easily one of the 3 greatest rap groups ever, no question.

KRS has always been overrated, in my opinion. BDP was cool..and his first solo. Everything else, nah. Rakim is/was 10X better.

BIG? Yeah, that's close.

[LOBSTER PRIZE!]

Go get his Dust to Dust album. You'll thank me later.

I have it. Its decent...the beatnuts laced some good production. The Kurious LP was better amongst that whole 3rd Bass/KMD circle.

[il_duce]

Nas
2Pac
Biggie
Rakim
KRS-One

All better than Jay-Z. You can argue that he's had a better "career", because none of his albums have bombed, which is true, they've all been pretty solid (plus he hasn't died yet). But let's face the facts. He doesn't have any standout material that can match up to the feats accomplished on Illmatic, or Ready To Die, or Paid In Full, etc. etc.

When I think of the best MCs, I think of what they did at their peak. Jay's best doesn't match up to the best of those I mentioned above. Oh yeah and his voice does suck, kinda like that other guy...Eminem.

[LOBSTER PRIZE!]

so does your list include such sizzling albums as "Nastradamus" and "Spiritual Minded"?

[Auton]

Nas
2Pac
Biggie
Rakim
KRS-One

But let's face the facts. He doesn't have any standout material that can match up to the feats accomplished on Illmatic, or Ready To Die, or Paid In Full, etc. etc.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Reasonable Doubt? hello? and the only two on that list that are really on the same level as Jay Z are Biggie and Rakim. (sorry g-mile)

[Auton]

so does your list include such sizzling albums as "Nastradamus" and "Spiritual Minded"?

haha, exactly.

[Mr Films]

indispensable. it really is brilliant.

word. I'll report back when I gots it.

[EN[i]GMA]

I've got 2 Jay Z albums I've not downloaded on my computer, so I'll give them a listen.

[Gareth]

jay-z is so awesome that he has his own songs on other people's albums [see: bleek]

[YoungRemy]

Jay retired right when I was getting into him.

I own:

Black Album
Blueprint
and
Vol. 2 Hard Knock Life

what should I buy next?


Jay-Z Unplugged featuring The Roots as his house band is one of the best live hip hop albums out there

[WhoMoi?]

Nas
2Pac
Biggie
Rakim
KRS-One

All better than Jay-Z. You can argue that he's had a better "career", because none of his albums have bombed, which is true, they've all been pretty solid (plus he hasn't died yet). But let's face the facts. He doesn't have any standout material that can match up to the feats accomplished on Illmatic, or Ready To Die, or Paid In Full, etc. etc.

When I think of the best MCs, I think of what they did at their peak. Jay's best doesn't match up to the best of those I mentioned above. Oh yeah and his voice does suck, kinda like that other guy...Eminem.

Sooooo false.

You can like him or not like him, but I don't think anyone can credibly say that Jay-Z isn't a great rapper. He's definitely better than most of those you listed (with the exception of Rakim, and possibly Nas).

[xrocketman]

The only one who did it better than Jay is Rakim.

[Knuckles]

Rakim is #1 simply because Jay did that Stinkin' Park thing :o What the hell was he thinking?

[WhoMoi?]

Rakim is #1 simply because Jay did that Stinkin' Park thing :o What the hell was he thinking?

Yeah, that was kind of stupid. And very random. :confused: (n)

[Auton]

fuck Jigga.


he ain't shit....


change clothes and go .


(n)

50 Cent has absolutely no skill at all. his flow's straight garbage.

[Kid Presentable]

Jay-Z Unplugged featuring The Roots as his house band is one of the best live hip hop albums out there

Yeah it is, I might go see the Roots, they're coming here in August...

[SobaViolence]

i always thought Jay was alright, although when he came with his A game, he fucking ripped it. But there is a lot of filler on his albums...

[Nygel]

i think u crazy if u like jay-z
dont change clothes, change the cd

anywho, yea, hes overated.... it depends on your tastes.
hes not my favorite, with the exception of 99 problems, i dont like his songs

[ToucanSpam]

I love the song 99 Problems. (y)

[Auton]

i dont know why everybody likes that song so much compared to other ones...

[DroppinScience]

I'm just going to be blunt.

If you honestly think what Jay-Z does is simple and that MC homobackpackbookwormnerdcorepuristhiphoproboticsci entist is better, then you seriously don't know the first thing about rap or hip hop culture. Period. Seriously. You know NOTHING. At ALL. End of story.

I don't have anything against Jay-Z, but why do I always sense a tension between hip-hop fans who are more into mainstream stuff and those who seek a more alternative rap on this board?

What's the problem here? :confused:

[Nygel]

why do I always sense a tension between hip-hop fans who are more into mainstream stuff and those who seek a more alternative rap on this board?

What's the problem here? :confused:
I guess its cuz the people who listen to mainstream appear to be mainstream to the more alterna-rap lovers. and its like the mainstreamers wont give up the catchy pop beats and listen to some music that isnt triggered by money.... just a thought, probably wrong

[Mr Films]

i dont know why everybody likes that song so much compared to other ones...

i always liked "Hola Hovito"

[LOBSTER PRIZE!]

i think u crazy if u like jay-z
dont change clothes, change the cd





hahahaa! you quoted that Afroman diss song no one bothered to care about or respond to cuz it was an obvious publicity stunt. LOL@you

[pshabi]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Reasonable Doubt? hello? and the only two on that list that are really on the same level as Jay Z are Biggie and Rakim. (sorry g-mile)

I think Jay just came into his own in Blueprint and topped it off with the Black Album. I became a huge fan when he went to a more "soulful" approach and started writing music with a little more depth.

The Unplugged Cd is a must and one of my all time favorite hip hop albums is Grey Album.

[pshabi]

ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION:

The only people who discredit Jay are the people who haven't given him a proper listen yet. If you're judging him by what radio has thrown in your face 8 years ago, then eh, he's not so great.

I enjoy his style so much more than 2pacs. He's on the cusp of overtaking Biggie in my eyes too. He may be the GOAT for the simple fact that he's going to make more music and it's only getting better.

Sooooo false.

You can like him or not like him, but I don't think anyone can credibly say that Jay-Z isn't a great rapper. He's definitely better than most of those you listed (with the exception of Rakim, and possibly Nas).

[pshabi]

i always liked "Hola Hovito"
That track is dope.

I love the rhyme, (hopefully correct)

"If you haven't heard, I'm Michael, Magic, and Bird,
all rolled into one,
and none got more flows than Young,
plus got more flows to come,
and if I ain't better than Big, I'm the closest one."

That's the straight shit right there. Sorry folks.

[LOBSTER PRIZE!]

I like the song "Ignorant Shit" where hes like "I make songs like Big Pimpin or Give It To Me and ya'll hail me as the greatest, I say some thought provoking shit and ya'll wonder if Im falling off".

[pshabi]

I like the song "Ignorant Shit" where hes like "I make songs like Big Pimpin or Give It To Me and ya'll hail me as the greatest, I say some thought provoking shit and ya'll wonder if Im falling off".
Damn, i'll have to give that one a closer listen.

I have it but it's a booty ass copy and I've only listened to it a couple times while I was doing other shit.

[SchoolTrousers]

i think its hard to argue that jay-z is anything but an excellent mc.

he really, really is.

[icy manipulator]

pfft, jay-z is pretty friggin shit, there's about 100 mc's better

KRS ONE is one of my favourite, and anyone who thinks he's over rated has no idea wtf they're talking about

Cowboy and Mellie Mel are 2 of my favs too, real old skool (y)

[mickill]

Yeah man, Jay's flow is pretty gay compared to Melle Mel's, man. I think Kurtis Blow would tear Jigga a new one too, man. There's this dude named Kool Moe Dee and this other cat named Busy Bee, man, they're pretty sick too, man. I'm pretty certain that MC Shan would seriously lyrically merk Jay out too, man, no doubt about it, man. I think Sparky D and holy shit, MC Solaar would crush Jay...forgot about him. Yeah man. Huh uh huh huh huh! Yeah, in a battle Mel would be like: "Well, you know Jay-Z/ I got the super cold voice/ And when it comes to the ladies/ I'm the top choice!" oooooooooooh.....Dizzzzzznaaaamnnn!

[adam_f]

I think we all forgot about 2 Live Jews. C'mon.

I like Jay-z and everything, but I'll take Common, Mos, Black Thought, or a handful of others over him.

[Kid Presentable]

'Renegades'

"Motherfuckers/ say that I'm foolish, I only talk about jewels/ do you fools listen to music/ or do you just skim through it?"...

First few times I thought Em killed him, but now, it's a close call.

"I drove by the fork in the road/ Then I went Straight"

[g-mile7]

indispensable. it really is brilliant.


Im glad that my cd's I let you borrow have been that much of influence on you, next time I'll let you borrow Me Against The World too to destroy the belief that Pac wasnt that great, much like people do with Jay-Z or anybody associated with the mainstream MTV media

[g-mile7]

ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION:

The only people who discredit Jay are the people who haven't given him a proper listen yet. If you're judging him by what radio has thrown in your face 8 years ago, then eh, he's not so great.

I enjoy his style so much more than 2pacs. He's on the cusp of overtaking Biggie in my eyes too. He may be the GOAT for the simple fact that he's going to make more music and it's only getting better.


2 me he overtook him already. The BET list they had 3 years ago, to me, was true with Pac, Jigga, Biggie. BUt when I think Jigga comapred to Pac I dont see as huge of an impact on other rappers as Pac. As a buisnessman though, a true hustler, he's above them all. Jigga is on point. He got at least 2 classics depending on who you talk too that few people even will fight against and even help to revive the carrer of Nas, the supposed God Son of Rap. That's some power right there, that even your foes bring there A-game 2 better diss' you, and as you can see in terms of sales and overal LP legitmacy, Stillmatic still trumps God Son or Streets Disciple. He might need Jigga to spark him a lil again.


And Takeover is STILL better then Ether, XXL might have it right with it being the 2nd greatest diss single of all time (with Hit em Up being #1 becasue of overal emotion)

[Auton]

takeover is a perfect song, and slimm, you're a tool.

[g-mile7]

takeover is a perfect song, and slimm, you're a tool.


so you liked both cds, which one do you think is the better of the two I lent? Even a year and half of listening to both on a consitent basis I still cant choose really but it leans to Blueprint (since Lyrical Excerise, Girls,Takeover,Never Change are just insanely good)

[Auton]

i like em equally, reasonable doubt is better but takeover and girls girls girls are my favorite songs of his. do you like the wu tang albums i let you borrow?

[g-mile7]

i like em equally, reasonable doubt is better but takeover and girls girls girls are my favorite songs of his. do you like the wu tang albums i let you borrow?

How So? Not saying your wrong cuz like I said it's hard for me to decide too there's only 2 songs I dont like on that Lp while Blueprint only 1


yes sir....listening to both of them right now....hard to decide which one I like better

Production:OB4CL(barely), keeps the mood of the lp good due in part its the same producer on all the songs

Lyrically:SC, but OB4CL is stellar too (mostly because of Ghostface)

I dont see how anyone can defintealy say one is better then the other they are too close, but we also gotta keep in mind either way Ghostface wins.

[Auton]

reasonable doubt is more consistant, i think

[g-mile7]

reasonable doubt is more consistant, i think


I dont know its hard to say all I know is that song with Foxxy Brown ruins the flow of it for me, and Cashmere Dreams aint the best song on there either, average at best. I dont know Blueprint seems more steady to me.

[Auton]

the only thing i don't like about the foxy brown one is the ridiculous chorus

[g-mile7]

the only thing i don't like about the foxy brown one is the ridiculous chorus


ruins the song for me too (n) (n) but yep other then that I love all the tracks espcially D'Evils and Poltics as Usual, and he was right Nas you made it a hot line, he made it a hot song ;)

[Nygel]

hahahaa! you quoted that Afroman diss song no one bothered to care about or respond to cuz it was an obvious publicity stunt. LOL@you
noone bothered to care or respond cuz noone likes me, i dont do publicity stunts

[muddfoot]

Blah, Blah, Blah. I just skipped to the end of this thread so forgive me if I'm repeating anything.
Talent or not, I'm not real big on Jay-Z. I would rather listen to any of the following. Why? Because it's good music.

Del
Wu-Tang
Latyrx
Blackalicious
Speech
Paris
KRS/BDP
Tha Alkaholiks
Esham
Tech N9ne
Beatnuts
J-Live
ATCQ
De La Soul
Biz Markie
I could pretty much keep going forever.

[mickill]

Esham? Speech? Tech N9ne?


I could pretty much keep going forever.
Yeah, please don't.

[Extra Cheese]

Latyrx
Blackalicious
Speech
Paris
Esham
Tech N9ne
J-Live


these people arent on the jay-z level. neither are some of the others on that list but i dont want to hear any "oh fuck you, they are legends in the game" bullshit

[xrocketman]

Reasonable Doubt is better than Blueprint easily,

but The Takeover is one of the greatest rap songs ever made. His best song.

[King of Rock II]

Reasonable Doubt, Vol 1, Vol 3, The Dynasty

volume 3 is crap, other than that, it's the correct order.

[Auton]

i'd be hard pressed to find a better diss song than takeover. im not saying its not possible, im just saying i dont know a better one. any suggestions?

[EN[i]GMA]

i'd be hard pressed to find a better diss song than takeover. im not saying its not possible, im just saying i dont know a better one. any suggestions?

I kind of like KRS-ONE's diss songs on Nelly, but the fact they are on Nelly sort of takes them out of the competition -- I could write a killer Nelly diss song.

[g-mile7]

i'd be hard pressed to find a better diss song than takeover. im not saying its not possible, im just saying i dont know a better one. any suggestions?


his one verse towards Nas alone did it for me. I cant really say Hitemup because in general it was good, but too me, the weak dissing of 2pac homies (OUtlawz) was pretty bland comapared to the fire 2pac had. To me Hitemup is better but in terms of overal song (meaning the WHOLE song not just one aspect) Takeover, just cuz its all Jigga with no features, if 2pac didnt have the OUtlawz on it and just wrote a 3rd verse it would be untouchable to me, but Takeover "you lil fuck I got money stacks bigger then you" hahaaha.

[g-mile7]

R.O.C., we runnin this rap shit
Memphis Bleek, we runnin this rap shit
B. Mac, we runnin this rap shit
Freeway, we run this rap shit
O & Sparks, we runnin this rap shit
Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap shit

The takeover, the break's over nigga
God MC, me, Jay-Hova
Hey lil' soldier you ain't ready for war
R.O.C. too strong for y'all
It's like bringin a knife to a gunfight, pen to a test
Your chest in the line of fire witcha thin-ass vest
You bringin them Boyz II Men, HOW them boys gon' win?
This is grown man B.I., get you rolled into triage
Beatch - your reach ain't long enough, dunny
Your peeps ain't strong enough, fucka
Roc-A-Fella is the army, better yet the navy
Niggaz'll kidnap your babies, spit at your lady
We bring - knife to fistfight, kill your drama
Uh, we kill you motherfuckin ants with a sledgehammer
Don't let me do it to you dunny cause I overdo it
So you won't confuse it with just rap music

R.O.C., we runnin this rap shit
M-Easy, we runnin this rap shit
The Broad Street Bully, we runnin this rap shit
Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it
Freeway, we runnin this rap shit
O & Sparks, we runnin this rap shit
Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap shit
{*"Watch out!! We run New York" -> KRS-One*}

I don't care if you Mobb Deep, I hold triggers to crews
You little FUCK, I've got money stacks bigger than you
When I was pushin weight, back in eighty-eight
you was a ballerina I got your pictures I seen ya
Then you dropped "Shook Ones," switch your demeanor
Well - we don't believe you, you need more people
Roc-A-Fella, students of the game, we passed the classes
Nobody can read you dudes like we do
Don't let 'em gas you like Jigga is ass and won't clap you
Trust me on this one - I'll detach you
Mind from spirit, body from soul
They'll have to hold a mass, put your body in a hole
No, you're not on my level get your brakes tweaked
I sold what ya whole album sold in my first week
You guys don't want it with Hov'
Ask Nas, he don't want it with Hov', nooooo!

R.O.C., we runnin this rap shit
B. Sigel, we runnin this rap shit
M-Easy, we runnin this rap shit
Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it
O & Sparks, we runnin this rap shit
Freeway, we run this rap shit
Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap shit
{*"Watch out!! We run New York" -> KRS-One*}

I know you missin all the - FAAAAAAAME!
But along with celebrity comes bout seventy shots to your frame
Nigga; you a - LAAAAAAAME!
Youse the fag model for Karl Kani/Esco ads
Went from, Nasty Nas to Esco's trash
Had a spark when you started but now you're just garbage
Fell from top ten to not mentioned at all
to your bodyguard's "Oochie Wally" verse better than yours
Matter fact you had the worst flow on the whole fuckin song
but I know - the sun don't shine, then son don't shine
That's why your - LAAAAAAAME! - career come to a end
There's only so long fake thugs can pretend
Nigga; you ain't live it you witnessed it from your folks pad
You scribbled in your notepad and created your life
I showed you your first tec on tour with Large Professor
(Me, that's who!) Then I heard your album bout your tec on the dresser
So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong
You made it a hot line, I made it a hot song
And you ain't get a coin nigga you was gettin fucked and
I know who I paid God, Serchlite Publishing
Use your - BRAAAAAAAIN! You said you been in this ten
I've been in it five - smarten up Nas
Four albums in ten years nigga? I can divide
That's one every let's say two, two of them shits was due
One was - NAHHH, the other was "Illmatic"
That's a one hot album every ten year average
And that's so - LAAAAAAAME! Nigga switch up your flow
Your shit is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge?
(Get the fuck outta here) You niggaz gon' learn to respect the king
Don't be the next contestant on that Summer Jam screen
Because you know who (who) did you know what (what)
with you know who (yeah) but just keep that between me and you for now

R.O.C., we runnin this rap shit
M-Easy, we runnin this rap shit
The Broad Street Bully, we runnin this rap shit
Get zipped up in plastic when it happens that's it
Freeway, we run this rap shit
O & Sparks, we runnin this rap shit
Chris & Neef, we runnin this rap shit
{*"Watch out!! We run New York" -> KRS-One*}

A wise man told me don't argue with fools
Cause people from a distance can't tell who is who
So stop with that childish shit, nigga I'm grown
Please leave it alone - don't throw rocks at the throne
Do not bark up that tree, that tree will fall on you
I don't know why your advisors ain't forewarn you
Please, not Jay, he's, not for play
I don't slack a minute, all that thug rappin and gimmicks
I will end it, all that yappin be finished
You are not deep, you made your bed now sleep
Don't make me expose you to them folks that don't know you
Nigga I know you well, all the stolen jew-els
Twinkletoes you breakin my heart
You can't fuck with me - go play somewhere, I'm busy
And all you other cats throwin shots at Jigga
You only get half a bar - fuck y'all niggaz

[g-mile7]

Super Ugly got a couple good lines


[Verse 2]
Listen, I'm the J, the A to the fuck this broad
Nigga never sold aspirin how you Escobar?
Had to buy your chain back last time you got robbed
The nerve of this coward nigga oh my god
And I know rap rumors are in the windows
I bring em to ya live lift up your windows
Let the public peek in to your dirty laundry
Y'all don't wan't me to continue HOV!!!

[venusvenus123]

what more can i say?

...a favourite of mine at the minute. :cool:

[bobi]

Fuck the Takeover listen to The Rape Over

Artist: Mos Def
Album: The New Danger
Song: The Rape Over

(Boogie man business)

Listen
Old white men is runnin this rap shit
Corporate force's runnin this rap shit
Setae israli is runnin this rap shit
We poke out the ashes for a chance to cash in
Cocaine, is runnin this rap shit
Dro, 'gnac and E-pills is runnin this rap shit

The rape over, turn your face over nigga
No god in disguise it's me, game over
Hey lil souljahs you're ready for more?
But don't ask what you're fighting for
They thought that you sur--vived the gunfight, the drama, the stress
You get in the line of fire we get the big ass cheques
You gettin your choice to pimp
Make your choice and fall in
This is ho stroll B I, take that cock in your behind, Beatch
Hit the streets and perform for us
Hold hard and bring it on to us, fucker
I let you sip, comes an army, get a Mercedes
And kick back and let you pay me, my Mack is crazy
I leave the, knife and fist fight filled with glamour
Yeah, take a picture what this platinum plated sledgehammer
We over-do it add the fire and explosion to it
We're so confused so we run rap music

MTV, is runnin this rap shit
Viacom is runnin this rap shit
AOL and Time Warner runnin this rap shit
We poke out the ashes for a chance to cash in
Cocaine, is runnin this rap shit
Hennessey, is runnin this rap shit
Quasi homosexuals is runnin this rap shit

Watch out we run the world

That's it

[DroppinScience]

MTV, is runnin this rap shit
Viacom is runnin this rap shit
AOL and Time Warner runnin this rap shit

Finally someone is telling the truth

[Auton]

mos def is great, but come on... rapeover wasnt anything special. it was a joke.

[Qdrop]

mos def is great, but come on... rapeover wasnt anything special. it was a joke.

why is that?

[mickill]

I think he means that it wasn't really a serious song so much as it was a parodical statement. It's a good track, but yeah, it's not really a song or anything.

Of course, if that's not what he meant, then whatever. Auton's just waaaay too critical of others. That bitch.

[Qdrop]

It's a good track, but yeah, it's not really a song or anything.


that makes no sense.

[Auton]

i meant the song was more of a joke song.. a parody. a good parody, but still really not much of an actual song ya know? i like the rapeover.. but saying it's better than the takeover is just silly.

[Qdrop]

i meant the song was more of a joke song.. a parody. a good parody, but still really not much of an actual song ya know? i like the rapeover.. but saying it's better than the takeover is just silly.

it's a parody, yes..

but don't you think it makes a better/much bigger point than the takeover did?

jay was talkin about his own egotistical ass take over the rap game.....when Mos def comes and shows EVERYONE who's really running the rap game...and it ain't rappers....

[mickill]

It does make sense, man; I said it's a good "track", which could be a skit or anything else for that matter. I don't think it's intended to be a "song", though. It's parodical. It's a statement. He'd never release it as a single or anything.

I think they took it off the album too, didn't they?

[bobi]

it's a parody, yes..

but don't you think it makes a better/much bigger point than the takeover did?

jay was talkin about his own egotistical ass take over the rap game.....when Mos def comes and shows EVERYONE who's really running the rap game...and it ain't rappers....

It may sound like parody but it's very serious, not like the Jay-zs tracks.
Jay-z got a big talent but he is to busy with himself with his "beautiful bitch" and this king of NY shit.
Or like my man Immortal Technique said:

"Lyrical ego trips doesn't make fortification
Your not dope enough, spit self glorification
So don't jerk me around cause my name ain't masturbation"

[bobi]

It does make sense, man; I said it's a good "track", which could be a skit or anything else for that matter. I don't think it's intended to be a "song", though. It's parodical. It's a statement. He'd never release it as a single or anything.

I think they took it off the album too, didn't they?
It's there track No' 5.

[ASsman]

And my dick is most likely bigger than yours..

[pshabi]

It may sound like parody but it's very serious, not like the Jay-zs tracks.
Jay-z got a big talent but he is to busy with himself with his "beautiful bitch" and this king of NY shit.
Or like my man Immortal Technique said:

"Lyrical ego trips doesn't make fortification
Your not dope enough, spit self glorification
So don't jerk me around cause my name ain't masturbation"
How did this become Jay Z vs. Mos Def????

Anyway, you're using a JayZ ripoff to try and say MosDef is better than him. That's complete fucking fuck.

[muddfoot]

these people arent on the jay-z level. Jay-Z can keep his level, his music is still crap and his flow is the most overratted the world has ever seen.

[Hello_nasty]

it's true. discuss.

Thank you Mr. Hip Hop Authority. Glad you cleared that up.

[bobi]

How did this become Jay Z vs. Mos Def????

Anyway, you're using a JayZ ripoff to try and say MosDef is better than him. That's complete fucking fuck.

I like Jay-z, I got 2 albums.
But there are so many rap-parameters on which he's weak.
And matter of fact Jay-z is like crying little white girl compare to Mos Defs music.

[Mr Films]

jay was talkin about his own egotistical ass take over the rap game.....when Mos def comes and shows EVERYONE who's really running the rap game...and it ain't rappers....

consider that "the new danger" is barely gold and "Blueprint" is multiplatinum, not quite everyone shares mos point of view.

i love mos but I always thought "the rape over" seemed like a bitchy whiny track.

[bobi]

consider that "the new danger" is barely gold and "Blueprint" is multiplatinum, not quite everyone shares mos point of view.

i love mos but I always thought "the rape over" seemed like a bitchy whiny track.
N'synk also got platinum.
See, it doesn't matter how many "plastics" do you merchandise.

[Mr Films]

N'synk also got platinum.
See, it doesn't matter how many "plastics" do you merchandise.

you're gonna do what now?

[bobi]

you're gonna do what now?
Listen to Mos and Jay

[Mr Films]

Listen to Mos and Jay

i love jay but i still think "Black on Both Sides" is better than any hova material.

[bobi]

i love jay but i still think "Black on Both Sides" is better than any hova material.
Same here.
Do you know what I love 'bout Mos?
He does rap, rock and blues. He is fuckin' genius.

[Mr Films]

Same here.
Do you know what I love 'bout Mos?
He does rap, rock and blues. He is fuckin' genius.

his new album drops in August

[Extra Cheese]

He does rap, rock and blues. He is fuckin' genius.


too bad he is(the word was could be used here) only good at one of them.

[Auton]

Thank you Mr. Hip Hop Authority. Glad you cleared that up.

no problem, dumbfuck.

[Mr Films]

too bad he is(the word was could be used here) only good at one of them.

yeah, the new danger really has no direction

[LOBSTER PRIZE!]

only on this board could a discussion about jay-z turn into a discussion about mos fucking def. Throw on that club banga about the worlds water supply!!! Mos You Killin It Son!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bobi]

only on this board could a discussion about jay-z turn into a discussion about mos fucking def. Throw on that club banga about the worlds water supply!!! Mos You Killin It Son!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"You can laugh and take it as a joke if you wanna
But it don't rain for four weeks some summers
And it's about to get real wild in the half
You be buying Evian just to take a fuckin bath"

[roosta]

illmatic > blueprint > black on both sides

[bobi]

only on this board could a discussion about jay-z turn into a discussion about mos fucking def.
The discussion is about Jay-Z VS favorite rappers.

[g-mile7]

yeah, the new danger really has no direction


Mos Def and Jay-Z is a hard one but only a person not into Jigga would give it to Mos Def knowing he has only had one solid lp compared to Jigga's constinecy. Jay-Z might not be as lyrically talented as Mos can be (keyword:can) but Jigga is the better MC. Anybody hating cuz Jigga is "mainstream" consider this:





from 2pacboard.com


how did mos def sell out?

* Pulling the conscious bandwagon, than jumping away?
* Claimed he was a down-to-earth dude when Rawkus cockblocked his band, but post-The Love Below dropped The New Danger (on which he didn't even have the balls to go all the way, and especially lmao at how half-ass it is after listening to "Rock and Roll" off of his first album)?
* Repping Islam, than bragging in interviews about eating pork?
* Changing the words to "Umi Says" to make some Nike money?
* The GMC commercials? (How're you going to make "New World Water" and then write a jingle to help sell some trucks?)
* His guest appearances in the past couple years... he's said no to everyone except Kanye West and the Neptunes (and General Motors)

Quote(by Mos Def from the source June 2005):
"Our priorities is gettin' fucked. Lil Jon-I love his music. But why are the East Side Boyz names Big Sam and Lil Bo? What the fuck? What's next, Kunta and Kinte? The South should know better. This is the same country that ran up in Fred Hampton's crib and shot him in bed with his pregnant wife. You think the rules changed cause niggas got No. 1 records? What are we supposed to tell our kids? After Malcolm, Martin and Dubois we got Sam-Bo? I'm supposed to be down with that 'cause it makes me dance?"




Quote (from the source again)
His latest solo album, The New Danger, came out in October, and it's an example of how Mos's iron commitment to his idiosyncratic sensibility can get in his way. It features his laid-back, verbally adroit rapping over shredding rock riffs. Critics dug it, but some fans shrugged. "I think people just were expecting something different," Mos says. "Kinda like, crusading, 'I'm gonna save hip-hop from all these jewelry-wearing, champagne-swigging, sneaker-designing monsters.' And I was like, No, I'm just gonna make some music I like."



He says a bunch of shit and calls people out, but starts sweating when he's held to the same standard. He wants to call out Lil Jon, but I bet he didn't have any problem with appearing in a movie where Halle Berry and Billy Bob Thornton played to white men's antebellum fantasies.

Mos Def can't put himself to the same standards he likes to hold other people too. Talib Kweli will diss the Game in an interview, and then put him on his Official Mixtape like a bitch.




which is all true, same goes with Nas as well....even the Mighty Mos Def can be a hypocrite. Even the just are unjust in a way, like I say if he want to talk like a leader...be a leader and change hip-hop not do a damn commerical(which he appears in the new ones) for a damn Denali or Gatorade(Nas), the black mans pipe dream. That something I want my kids to reach for, that after they become big time ballaz(sarcasm).There are too many saying that black people need to rise up (speaking like they for the people) but not doing shit about it.If he wants to talk like a leader, be a damn leader. Do what MLK and espcially,ESPICALLY, Malcolm X wanted us to do, even 2pac to an extent understood that. So to say Mos Def is more real then Jigga is false. At least with Jigga you'll know what your going get.