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Qdrop
08-03-2006, 09:27 AM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14137751/

Evolution’s foes lose ground in Kansas
Darwin’s defenders increase their strength on Board of Education

Updated: 11:03 a.m. ET Aug 2, 2006

TOPEKA, Kan. - Conservative Republicans who approved classroom standards that called evolution into question lost control of the state Board of Education in Tuesday's primary election.

Five of the 10 seats on the board were up for election in the primary, the latest skirmish in a seesawing battle between faith and science that has opened Kansas up to international ridicule.

Last November, the Board of Education’s 6-to-4 conservative Republican majority rewrote testing standards for public schools to incorporate language supported by advocates of intelligent design, which holds that life is so complex it must have been created by some kind of higher power. The new standards say that some aspects of evolution are contradicted by scientific evidence. (Click here for a PDF file listing the standards.)

On Tuesday, three members of the majority faced GOP primary foes who support evolution. A fourth Republican conservative is retiring, and her seat was up for grabs.

The fifth seat was held by Janet Waugh, a Kansas City Democrat who opposed the new standards. Facing a more conservative Democrat who favored the anti-evolution language, she won with 65 percent of the vote and will be unopposed in the fall.

With the unofficial count virtually complete, two of the three conservative Republican incumbents — John Bacon and Ken Willard — held onto their spots on the ballot.

However, the third conservative, Connie Morris, lost to Sally Cauble, a moderate Republican who supports evolution. Meanwhile, the Republican nod for the board's open seat went to another moderate, Jana Shaver. That combination would swing the balance of power toward those who oppose the board's current educational standards.

Closeley watched races
Tuesday's vote was being monitored by scientific groups throughout the country, with most of the attention focused on Morris’ race in western Kansas. The retired teacher had described evolution as “an age-old fairy tale” and “a nice bedtime story” unsupported by science.

Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland, Calif., which supports the teaching of evolution, said a strong conservative showing would have generated attempts to adopt Kansas’ standards elsewhere. “There are people around the country who would like to see the Kansas standards in their own states,” she said.

Tuesday's outcome was hailed by Kansas biology student Josh Rosenau on his "Thoughts From Kansas" Weblog. "The board is back in moderate hands no matter what. The night is, on balance, a victory," he wrote. "It'd be nice to further marginalize the extremists by winning the remaining races in November, but we've got a majority that will implement the science standards recommended by the scientists, educators and parents of the science standards committee."

Also Tuesday, Kansas Republicans chose state Sen. Jim Barnett from among seven candidates to challenge Democratic Gov. Kathleen Sebelius.

Part of a larger effort
The school board contest was part of a larger effort by the intelligent design movement to introduce its ideas in public schools.

A suburban Atlanta school district is locked in a legal dispute over its putting stickers in 35,000 biology textbooks declaring evolution “a theory, not a fact.”

Last year, in Dover, Pa., voters ousted school board members who had required the biology curriculum to include mention of intelligent design. A federal judge struck down the policy, declaring intelligent design is religion in disguise.

Teach both sides?
A poll by six news organizations last year suggested about half of Kansans thought evolution should be taught alongside intelligent design.

“I feel like if you give two sides of something, most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds,” said Ryan Cole, a 26-year-old farmer and horse trainer from Smith County, along the Nebraska line.

Control of the school board has slipped into, out of and back into conservative Republicans’ hands since 1998, resulting in anti-evolution standards in 1999, evolution-friendly ones in 2001 and anti-evolution ones again last year.

Late-night comedians have been making cracks about Kansas, portraying it as backward and ignorant. Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show” broadcast a four-part series titled, “Evolution Schmevolution.”

Debate over what to teach
Proponents of Kansas’ latest standards contend they encourage open discussion.

“Students need to have an accurate assessment of the state of the facts in regard to Darwin’s theory,” said John West, a vice president for the Center for Science and Culture at the Seattle-based, anti-evolution Discovery Institute.

The standards say that the evolutionary theory that all life had a common origin has been challenged by fossils and molecular biology. And they say there is controversy over whether changes over time in one species can lead to a new species.

In response, most biologists say that the controversy primarily comes from the proponents of intelligent design themselves, who are motivated by cultural rather than strictly scientific concerns.

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well THANK GOD!
er...i mean...THANK SCIENCE!

i'm sick of that state embarrassing this country....

SobaViolence
08-03-2006, 09:38 AM
What the fuck is wrong with Kansas?

Qdrop
08-03-2006, 09:52 AM
What the fuck is wrong with Kansas?

they've been sick....
but they're getting better....

SobaViolence
08-03-2006, 10:20 AM
praise the Lord...

i mean intelligent design
seriously...

Bob
08-03-2006, 11:20 AM
yeah but on the other hand, the bible

SobaViolence
08-03-2006, 11:34 AM
you don't blame the driver's handbook when some idiot crashes a car
don't blame the bible on the actions of a bunch of insecure, greedy, racist extremists...

Qdrop
08-03-2006, 11:38 AM
greedy, racist

??

Bob
08-03-2006, 11:56 AM
you don't blame the driver's handbook when some idiot crashes a car
don't blame the bible on the actions of a bunch of insecure, greedy, racist extremists...

i don't think i was doing that, i was just providing a logical alternative to the theory of evolution

Qdrop
08-03-2006, 12:11 PM
i was just providing a logical alternative to the theory of evolution
the bible isn't logical.
nor is it a viable alternative to the existance of man and nature.

SobaViolence
08-03-2006, 12:43 PM
??

anti-arab, anti-muslim, anti-nonchristian/non-protestant evangelical extremists who try to make money by any means, like Pat Robertson doing business with Charles Taylor, former dictator of Liberia in the blood diamond trade...

you know, people who don't follow the teachings of Jesus.

Qdrop
08-03-2006, 12:47 PM
anti-arab, anti-muslim, anti-nonchristian/non-protestant evangelical extremists who try to make money by any means, like Pat Robertson doing business with Charles Taylor, former dictator of Liberia in the blood diamond trade...

you know, people who don't follow the teachings of Jesus.

well okay.
i'm not sure if all fundamental christians are like-....oh hell, yeah they are.

i agree.

catatonic
08-03-2006, 01:30 PM
High School is considered almost universally by corporations to be worthless though.

I don't care what subject matter they get, just let's make the High School education worth something.

All I've had besides a year of UCLA was High School and church-owned education.

kaiser soze
08-03-2006, 02:12 PM
God Almighty or God Amoeba?

Bob
08-03-2006, 02:39 PM
the bible isn't logical.
nor is it a viable alternative to the existance of man and nature.

yeah, but you don't need logic because the bible

Qdrop
08-03-2006, 03:02 PM
yeah, but you don't need logic because the bible

ahh....i gotcha.

racer5.0stang
08-03-2006, 04:00 PM
the bible isn't logical.
nor is it a viable alternative to the existance of man and nature.

The same is true about the theory of evolution.

catatonic
08-03-2006, 04:30 PM
random verse from Bible (I found out that the website random.org gives atmospheric random numbers and enjoy finding uses):

Lest haply if they of Macedonia come with me, and find you unprepared, we (that we say not, ye) should be ashamed in this same confident boasting.

at first I thought in context this verse wasn't logical, I was wrong though.

random "idea" from evolution (couldn't get random):

Programs available:
Lamarc estimates the effective population sizes, population exponential growth rates, migration rates, and per-site recombination rate of n populations using DNA, SNP, microsatellite, or electrophoretic data.
Migrate estimates the effective population sizes and migration rates of n constant populations using nonrecombining sequence, microsatellite or enzyme electrophoretic data.
Coalesce estimates the effective population size of a single constant population using nonrecombining sequences.
Fluctuate estimates the effective population size and a exponential growth rate of a single growing population using nonrecombining sequence data.
Recombine estimates the effective population size and per-site recombination rate of a single constant-size population using sequence or SNP data.

that sounds ultra-logical and ultra-sane, and directly gives data for people to decide on evolution.

another random Bible verse from boredom:

17 Of Abijah, Zichri; of Miniamin, of Moadiah, Piltai;

I'll leave that one alone. :)

QueenAdrock
08-03-2006, 05:05 PM
I heard that when you walk into the Creationist Museum, they've got a dinosaur with a saddle on its back. Now, IF you believe that somehow humans co-existed with dinosaurs though all fossil evidence says the exact opposite and all educated scientists and PhDs will tell you the same thing and pretty much it's undisputed in the academic world, IF you still believe that, at VERY least don't believe that somehow the humans tamed the dinosaurs. I mean, I can see people being ignorant, but that's them rolling around and bathing in their ignorance, being PROUD of being idiots. Next thing you know they're going to have a display of vacuum-cleaner ankylosauruses and pterodactyl windshield wipers. (n)

Echewta
08-03-2006, 05:32 PM
The same is true about the theory of evolution.
That is simply not true. The theory of evolution is always being worked on, fine tuned, and progressing by people all over the world with different skin colors, religions, blah blah.
The bible is simply the bible. It doesn't change and when challeged about it, it just is.