Question for the liberals, progressives, non-GOP posters...

[Qdrop]

Are there ANY republican/conservative/GOP positions, legislations, actions, etc...that you agree with?
any at all?

in the past 20 years even?

[Ali]

Are there ANY republican/conservative/GOP positions, legislations, actions, etc...that you agree with?
any at all?

in the past 20 years even?Nah, I'm a Fence Sitter, like you.

[Qdrop]

Nah, I'm a Fence Sitter, like you.

where have YOU been.....

[Ali]

where have YOU been.....Moving country, buying a house, looking after Fred, starting a new job... BUSY!

[Qdrop]

Moving country, buying a house, looking after Fred, starting a new job... BUSY!

oh shit, you left France....
tired of the cheese? or the heat....

[Ali]

oh shit, you left France....
tired of the cheese? or the heat....Nah, just got a new job. Miss the cheese, the wine, the food, rollerblading through Paris, Fly ladies... got plenty of heat here, dude. It's been unbelievably hot in the UK!!! And there's a drought... in the wettest place you can imagine!!!

Wonder why it's been such a hot summer? Can't be global warming... must be something else... sunspots, maybe? ;)

[Documad]

I can't think of any current republicans who I'd vote for. I mostly know the ones in my state and local politics and a few of the big names nationally. Perhaps there are still moderate republicans in some states. Most of my state's republicans used to be moderate 20 years ago.

I was a republican when I first started voting. I used to vote republican in state and local races in the 1980s. That's back when republicans could be pro-choice, pro-science, pro-education, pro-civil rights, anti-government waste, and fiscally conservative. We had a terrific republican governor who I gave money to, worked for, and voted for. He decided to leave politics and we elected a independent wrestler to replace him. The wrestler was a better than the current republican.

I also voted for republicans for other state and local races, but never for president. I've been employed by republican politicians. They were good people. Today, a good person couldn't get nominated by the republican party.

[Echewta]

But what is a conservative or republican view now a days? Congress and the President can't seem to get on the same bandwagon with most issues.

Fiscal matters? Nobody seems to take that too seriously in either party. Especially with the spend spend President.

[QueenAdrock]

Are there ANY republican/conservative/GOP positions, legislations, actions, etc...that you agree with?
any at all?

in the past 20 years even?

I like John McCain, though recently he's been selling out. I LIKED Guiliani until he jumped on the "Let's Bash Kerry's War Record" smear campaign. But he did some great stuff for NYC. I also agree with immigration reform - however, I still believe they're going about it the wrong way. They need to focus on ports rather than Mexicans...they don't seem to care about terrorism getting in as much as they do Mexicans getting OUT. I agreed with them about going to Afghanistan, because that was for the most part successful in ridding the Taliban and was the right war to fight.

Other than that, social movements (welfare, health care), abortion, taxes, gun control, environment, death penalty, stance on Iraq - all fall under me lovin' the Dem's and wholeheartedly agreeing with them. Oh, and the fact that our party isn't run by crazy Christian "compassionate" conservatives seals the deal.

[Documad]

W is a borrow and spend republican.

I think that today "conservative" means radical christian and nothing more.

[QueenAdrock]

^Exactly. I was shocked to hear my beloved history professor and mentor say he was conservative to the class, until he explained that conservative didn't mean radical Republican - it meant moderation and being careful just NOT BEING RADICAL. He then told us he's a hardcore Democrat because of that. (y)

[DroppinScience]

There's very little to get behind in terms of Republicanism ever since the Reagan era.

I admire anyone who is a moderate in that party who speaks up and breaks unabashed "loyalty" to the President. I can respect the likes of McCain (before he sold his soul to the right-wing) or Bloomberg, but evangelicalism and neo-conservatism has hijacked that party.

The last Republican President that was good was Eisenhower. Before then, obviously Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and Chester A. Arthur (for battling cronyism and corruption) are ones to admire.

Having said that, I do hope the Democrats become an actual opposition party and elect people from the liberal wing of the party, throwing out the likes of Lieberman and getting more Feingolds or Deans in.

[GreenEarthAl]

A lot of my more anarco-libertarian views closely mirror some views that people consider to be republican. I consider myself really leftist and progressive, but the power pyramid monkeys at the top use a lot of these emotional issues to divide and conquer the masses. Any issue that there's truth on both sides of.

I'm pretty anti-abortion. I don't really know anyone that's avidly pro-abortion. Me and your average conservative would have radically different ways of curtailing abortion but nevertheless be for its curtailment just the same.

I'm not so big on criminalizing gun ownership. I'm much more about going after the societal ills that leave people in a state where they're wanting to shoot people. I firmly believe that Americans would still try to knife people if you smelted all of their guns. And they would take up poisoning if you smelted their knives. Anyway, I trust my neighbors with guns far more than I trust the g-men anyway.

I believe in spending less than you make, but the sham of that being a conservative issue has been fairly well uncovered.

After the revolution I'm generally in favor of letting the CEOs live. I'm pretty sure we're on the same page with that.

[Pres Zount]

I agree with GEA.

[catatonic]

I'd have to go through the 2004 GOP platform:

TABLE OF CONTENTS
________
Winning the War on Terror 1 - not even for it
Ushering in an Ownership Era 39 - not even for it
Building an Innovative, Globally Competitive Economy 45 - for the innovative part, but all that's said is ""We will seize this historic opportunity." Lame.
Strengthening Our Communities 67
Protecting Our Families 87
Summary and Call to Action 93

All this either is bad to me - for pgs. 67-93 I mean based on specifics, or hasn't actually been implemented yet (and since that's the case no reason to give them another chance in 2006), except 2 or 3 things.

R&D funding went up 44% from 2001 to 2004.(y)
Faith-based initiatives for welfare saved money and were more effective.(y)
But Republicans push for increased welfare reform. That alone (n) (n) (n)
Flus why was private R&D funding slashed, and how much of that 44% was military?
Overall, I feel hurt by the GOP 2001-2006 presence, personally and as a society.

[Bob]

Having said that, I do hope the Democrats become an actual opposition party and elect people from the liberal wing of the party, throwing out the likes of Lieberman and getting more Feingolds or Deans in.

the CT primary is today, and lamont (lieberman's opponent) seems pretty popular...you may get one of those wishes. i'll let you know how that goes. i can't vote in it, i'm registered as an independent, but i kinda wish i weren't now.

i don't know if i even consider my self a liberal anymore, but i'm certainly anti-GOP...but i am against banning guns. i'm with GEA in that respect, instead of banning guns, we should work at eliminating the reasons people want to use them. blaming guns as the cause of violence is like blaming science for causing war; it's the weapon, not the motive. that said, i do believe americans are a little too gun crazy for their own good, but i don't think taking guns away is the solution to that. i don't own a gun myself, but i respect the liberty of people to do so (that sentence doesn't sound right but i'm too tired to fix it).

[Bob]

primary update: with about 60% of the votes in, lamont is leading lieberman by about 10% (i think, i forget, i'm a little drunk, but lamont's definitely slightly ahead)

in gubernatorial news, destefano and malloy are in a dead heat, 51% - 49%, with about 60% of the votes counted. yes, it's gonna be a close race to decide who's going to be shut out by incumbent governor rell in november. not that it's stopped their campaigners from harassing my phone to get my vote (well, my mom's vote, but i'm always the only one home when they call).

as happy as i'm going to be if lieberman loses (i never liked him, ever since i started paying attention to him in 2000), the truth is, i don't think anyone knows a whole lot about lamont. my mom wrote to our congressman, john larson about the primary. he called our house and left a personalized message, and he even flat out said that he doesn't know enough about lamont to comment on the guy, but that he definitely does respectfully disagree with lieberman on most things. he sounded bored in the message, quite honestly, but i'm super impressed that he took the time to call.

i watched lamont when he went on the colbert report, and i still don't know what the hell to think about him. his answers sounded very...scripted, robotic, he reminds me of kerry. all we know about him is that he's not the guy that we don't like.

aaand, that's where we are as a democracy right now. updates to follow in the morning. go lamont.

[Documad]

Bob, what state do you vote in?

[yeahwho]

Question for faith based right wing Republicans, "Why are you such assclown fucknozzles"?

[Bob]

Bob, what state do you vote in?

i'm not sure how that's going to work, actually. i'll be living in boston in november, won't i?

i don't know. i'll look into that.

[yeahwho]

"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln

Whatever happened to these republicans, the honest ones? George W. Bush in his first term, had an astounding 505 constitutional challenges The facts are never cited nor is the truth told. The majority of republicans agree with him and never denounce GWB's incredible blunder of a presidency.

I saw a sign on a driveway out in the sticks today that read, "Support the Troops and Bush too", I think that's an oxymoron, he failed the troops before they even left.

[QueenAdrock]

Yeah, I hate those bumper stickers that say "SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND PRESIDENT BUSH!" You either do both, or you can GIIIT OUT!

I should get one that says something like "Support our troops and Michael Moore." Just to piss people off, is all.

[Bob]

"I am a firm believer in the people. If given the truth, they can be depended upon to meet any national crisis. The great point is to bring them the real facts." - Abraham Lincoln


is that true anymore? was it true then? has that ever been true? you hear stories like the one how 50% of americans still believe iraq had WMD's, even though it's been shown fairly convincingly that they didn't, and you wonder.

[DroppinScience]

is that true anymore? was it true then? has that ever been true? you hear stories like the one how 50% of americans still believe iraq had WMD's, even though it's been shown fairly convincingly that they didn't, and you wonder.

But y'see, Bush and co. has deliberately distorted the facts when it comes to WMDs. And if you only watch Fox News, you're gonna believe a lot of dumb shit.

[racer5.0stang]

But y'see, Bush and co. has deliberately distorted the facts when it comes to WMDs. And if you only watch Fox News, you're gonna believe a lot of dumb shit.


There are other channels besides Fox News? :eek:

[DroppinScience]

There are other channels besides Fox News? :eek:

Rumor has it, there's also MSNBC. But don't quote me on that...

[QueenAdrock]

MSNBC? You filthy liberal, I'm not a part of the factinista. I don't need some news channel telling me what I should and should not believe. If I want to say that the Panama Canal was built in 1941, that's my right as an American.

[The Notorious LOL]

I should get one that says something like "Support our troops and Michael Moore." Just to piss people off, is all.



why?...Michael Moore pretty much sucks. Hes the lefts Bill O'Reilly.


I tend to be moderate/right leaning in the aspect of finance...although I do agree with higher taxation for shit that benefits the community.

[QueenAdrock]

Just to be controversial, lol!

Yeah, Moore's being a jerk lately. Saying that people who are against the war now aren't good enough, they should have been against it from the beginning. Yeah, because you're not allowed to make mistakes, right? :rolleyes: