MARIO C???

[abell215]

i am new to this board, but have been a crazed beasties fan for, holy shit, about 20 years..
this definitely should have been touched on before, as it may have. where the hell is mario C? his absence was glaring on tt5b. i was recently listening to my ipod and put on artist shuffle-beasties. and i have a HUGE library of beasties music. every song i skipped was from tt5b. that album is stinking terrible(relative to previous beasties albums). it took me a minute to realize that they were all from tt5b. and it was definitely the music. the rhymes were nice, but the beats and arrangements were just downright stupid.
so is mario C going to be here to right the ship for the new album? where was he on tt5b?

[R. Kelly]

dam what you on son? dat boroughs shit was fiya

[dirtydan11]

I know that's you, Mario

[Spanky1]

http://beastiemania.com/whois/caldato_mario/

[blipstutter]

"so is mario C going to be here to right the ship for the new album?"

Pretty unlikely. Mario and MCA had some pretty personal beef towards the end. I would reckon any details about that one would get deleted off the board, and be very dissapointing to their fans. Anyway, Adrock did a large portion of the demos for Hello Nasty, so once they went digital all they really needed was an engineer to assist.

[AdRockGRL]

i am new to this board, but have been a crazed beasties fan for, holy shit, about 20 years..
this definitely should have been touched on before, as it may have. where the hell is mario C? his absence was glaring on tt5b. i was recently listening to my ipod and put on artist shuffle-beasties. and i have a HUGE library of beasties music. every song i skipped was from tt5b. that album is stinking terrible(relative to previous beasties albums). it took me a minute to realize that they were all from tt5b. and it was definitely the music. the rhymes were nice, but the beats and arrangements were just downright stupid.
so is mario C going to be here to right the ship for the new album? where was he on tt5b?

Excuse me but... WTF!?
How can you say that beats like "Ch-Check It Out" or "Now Get busy" or..."hey F**** You!" and many more on that album are "downright stupid"!?
Do you read what you write or wa?
Anyway i think that anyone has a personal taste and we all are free to express it... i don't agree with yours :D

[Brother McDuff]

Pretty unlikely. Mario and MCA had some pretty personal beef towards the end. I would reckon any details about that one would get deleted off the board, and be very dissapointing to their fans.

where did you hear that there was beef between mario and yauch? from an article or something? that's a shame if that's the case.

[AdRockGRL]

where did you hear that there was beef between mario and yauch? from an article or something? that's a shame if that's the case.

I can0t even barely imagine Yauch havin' regret or fighitng :) Not now at leats... not for the person that he is (or seems)...

[blipstutter]

I don't think the riff was ever made public even though it's a poorly kept secret with people who know them. I will say it was a private matter which unfortunately filtered into their work. The BB's have hinted to that, when they said how much more efficient it was to work without having to argue over every detail. I don't know of any other public recognition as to why Mario isn't with them, but I will say, Adam, and the Beastie team probably wouldn't want the sticky details posted in this forum. As it is, this cryptic post might not last.

[Brother McDuff]

I would appreciate gossipy and inflammatory information about the band be kept private (i.e., off the board). Mr. Alias, you have no business talking shit about them here.


i wouldn't really consider that talking shit about them, nor do i think it was that gossipy. there was a misunderstanding between Yauch and Mario, that's all that was said, plain and simple. end of story. that was definitely not shit talking, though.

[pshabi]

Ignore the alias.

Last year I worked with an old friend of the Beastie Boys in Europe -- a producer. He knew I was a fan. I never asked him about them ever. (It's not professional.) One day he tried to tell me something about them. I had to stick my fingers in my ears and go "la-la-la-la-la."

I don't want to hear shit about them, even if it may be true. I don't need to know any of that. Neither does anyone else here.

I would appreciate gossipy and inflammatory information about the band be kept private (i.e., off the board). Mr. Alias, you have no business talking shit about them here.

I hope the admins delete this thread.


P.S. Mario produced Money Mark's new album.

P.S.S. To the Five Boroughs is an excellent album.

This is a fan site. We're not in the industry and don't have to act "professionally" here. We're here to discuss the band and if that includes gossip or juicy details about their work or careers, then so be it.

If that description doesn't fit you, that's fine. But, the rest of us don't have to be held up to those standards.

[pshabi]

I will say it was a private matter which unfortunately filtered into their work. The BB's have hinted to that, when they said how much more efficient it was to work without having to argue over every detail.

Those two sentences contradict each other.

[blipstutter]

Hate to shake up the glass menagerie but uh...I didn't post the gossip, or any of the details. I don't think I'm being inflammatory by suggesting that these people are human beings, and it might be healthier to accept that.

I simply responded to the question, with a very judicial human resources style explanation. I think fans deserve at least some indication why such an integral part of the groups recording process was not involved with TT5B or Oscilloscope Studios. It was partly creative due to technology, but mostly due to a personal dispute.

Sorry if that upsets some of you. I would bet it puts more then a few of you at ease to at least have an idea what's up.

edited because i typed "was" instead of "wasn't"

[Brother McDuff]

Yeah, it is -- because the alias is implying something. If you don't get what it is he's implying, you're not reading clearly.

i don't quite understand what "blipstutter" implies, but maybe I'm just meat-headed. Someone throw me a rope here... :o

[Laver1969]

Here's a short excerpt from an interview Darron Burke did with Mario back in a 2002 issue of Tape Op magazine.

I didn't read any beef into it.

Darron-
Were you happy to be able to work with Beastie Boys over an extended period and be able to expand on every new record with the experience gained on the one before it?

Mario-
I worked with them for over ten years—there’s been a lot of good times. It was definitely a good run. I wish we had made more records. MCA is really into studying Buddhism a lot nowadays. He’s in India right now. Mike is running the label, Grand Royal. Adrock is doing BS 2000, the new record. He’s always making music, he stays focused on that. It’s him and Amery, the hardcore drummer, they recorded it themselves. It’s like beats with farfisa organ and voice. It’s good, you should check it out.

And here's the whole article for those who are interested. (http://www.makeshiftstudio.com/pdfs/tapeop_mario.pdf)

[dirtydan11]

Hate to shake up the glass menagerie but uh...I didn't post the gossip, or any of the details. I don't think I'm being inflammatory by suggesting that these people are human beings, and it might be healthier to accept that.

I simply responded to the question, with a very judicial human resources style explanation. I think fans deserve at least some indication why such an integral part of the groups recording process was not involved with TT5B or Oscilloscope Studios. It was partly creative due to technology, but mostly due to a personal dispute.

Sorry if that upsets some of you. I would bet it puts more then a few of you at ease to at least have an idea what's up.

edited because i typed "was" instead of "wasn't"

I don't think it upset very many people at all. This board is all abut gossip and speculation. Hell people gossip over all kinds of topics, even the most mundane things such as footwear choices lol.. As long as their personal family lives stay out of it, I say anything is fair game. Imagine a thread about how one of their children got suspended from school for fighting, or a member is going through a divorce.. that would be downright low.. no one should care to want to know any of those types of matters.. but as far as some insight toward the creative process of their work, that's interesting and will no doubt be part of a biography on the band many years from now. And no one should judge anybody from the band based on a little tidbit of information like that anyways, or just ignore someone's post like someone suggested.. that's some damn juicy stuff to have a REAL discussion about.. I hope this thread doesn't get deleted.. It will be a meaningful thread for people to say how they feel about it.. one that i will check most often..
For me I don't have too much of an opinion on the matter, because i obviously love the work Mario did with them, but I also love the work done without him, too. And of course I would like to see him work with them again.
But it's not fair to say no one should talk about any beef because we've all talked about beef with Simmons and the band, and why he didn't work with them afterwards.. I don't see a difference here, sorry Miramanee

[b i o n i c]

thanks for that interview, l... that was a really good read. i agree.. it doesnt really matter to me what bullshit may or may not have come between them either.. it would be really great to hear/see them work together again..

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[Justin]

Let's talk business!


Does Mario C make the beasties better? YES


Does Rick Rubin produce great music? YES


Does the Dust Brothers make great music? YES!


Fuck all this personal vandetta crap! If any of these individuals can make you better bring them in!

The beasties seem like really cool guys. I'm sure they can set aside any of their personal feelings if these guys can help you sell more records!


MONEY!

[blipstutter]

Of course Mario has moved on and he's staying professional, that's just Mario's style. He's a class act. That TapeOp interview was done before it was published. He references Grand Royal, which was already defunct in 2001, and calls BS2000 new. Either way, he remains a part of the larger Beastie family, and continues to work with them on projects involving the back catalog.

On the flipside, I doubt you'll find any instances of MCA mentioning Mario C. by name since TT5B, in interviews, or the shout outs during performances (Adrock does them).

Those offended probably already know the dirt, and what a mess the incident made, in which case, of course their offended. I do agree that this is something people can discuss without breaching anybodies privacy.

[pshabi]

I do agree that this is something people can discuss without breaching anybodies privacy.
Then spill the fuckin' beans you cocktease!!!!!!!

[b i o n i c]

I'm sure they can set aside any of their personal feelings if these guys can help you sell more records!

MONEY!

thats not what i meant

[Justin]

thats not what i meant

That wasnt directed at you.

I'm really not sure who it was directed at.......

[Brother McDuff]

i'm sure it's being made a bigger deal than it really is. all this talk.

[abell215]

wow. thanks for the info. i honestly didn't have a clue why mario wasn't with them on tt5b. i thought maybe they both just decided to move on.....

adrock's production made it a very different album. not very organic sounding, not much variety(PLEASE BRING BACK THE INSTRUMENTS!!!!). i love BS2000 and i love the beats on hello nasty, so adrock can certainly drop a beat. but, to me, the beats seem sort of like they were thrown together on a mac over a long weekend.

sorry, but the bar was raised so high on check your head. mario did some great things. and maybe i am being an unadaptable a-hole that won't accept that this is not 1992.......

[pshabi]

CYH is a great album, one of the best ever.

But, the hip hop beats are better on Ill Comm.

[abell215]

you're absolutely correct. cyh is my favorite album of all time. but, yes, ill comm does have the best hip hop beats

[Junker]

you're absolutely correct. cyh is my favorite album of all time. but, yes, ill comm does have the best hip hop beats

Like 'The Scoop' beat. Man, gotta love 'The Scoop' beat.

[DJ Pioneer]

wow. thanks for the info. i honestly didn't have a clue why mario wasn't with them on tt5b. i thought maybe they both just decided to move on.....

adrock's production made it a very different album. not very organic sounding, not much variety(PLEASE BRING BACK THE INSTRUMENTS!!!!). i love BS2000 and i love the beats on hello nasty, so adrock can certainly drop a beat. but, to me, the beats seem sort of like they were thrown together on a mac over a long weekend.

sorry, but the bar was raised so high on check your head. mario did some great things. and maybe i am being an unadaptable a-hole that won't accept that this is not 1992.......

I'm sorry but I gotta agree with him. The beats sound very generic to say it politely. A lot of them sound similar to ones you could buy on websites from up and coming producers for $5 to $100. Maybe the bar was just set really high. I'm not a hater or something, just sharing my opinion. The Beastie Boys will always be my favorite band/rap group.

[dirtydan11]

who are you really abell 215? seems pretty fishy that a brand new member posts something, and ANOTHER brand new member replies to it right away, who seems to have inside information.. anyone with me on this????

[DJ Pioneer]

who are you really abell 215? seems pretty fishy that a brand new member posts something, and ANOTHER brand new member replies to it right away, who seems to have inside information.. anyone with me on this????

Hey I think I have a right to voice my opinion. I've been a fan for 15 years and I'm a DJ/big hip hop fan. Abell215 has a right too. The beats were a little boring and generic in my opinion. If that's your sort of thing, cool. I'm a big A Tribe Called Quest fan, but I think their last album "The Love Movement" had a lot of boring, repetitive beats also (even though the great J Dilla was partly responsible).

[dirtydan11]

no no no you didn't understand my post.. i don't care what anyone thinks about TT5B or anything like that.. I'm saying I smell a conspiracy, a real one lol

[Laver1969]

.. I'm saying I smell a conspiracy, a real one lol

Yes...quite a few fishy posters in this thread.

[Kid Presentable]

On the flipside, I doubt you'll find any instances of MCA mentioning Mario C. by name since TT5B, in interviews, or the shout outs during performances (Adrock does them).

Yeah wrong, MCA still keeps his line in 3 MC's intact. "Tim Yo" is there because Tim is on the boards at shows. But Yauch shouts out Mario as often as the other two within their lyrics. He hasn't changed it.

[laurie_hammy]

Mario C is awsome
TT5B is awsome
Fighting ? Who Cares ? The Music's SiK (!)

[blipstutter]

Well gosh fellas, I guess I just made the whole darned thing up. Feel better? The fact is, it's amazing we're going on 5+ years without even the standard "Bill Berry is moving to a farm, he'd much rather play with cows then be in a rock band called REM" type of explanation I believe fans are owed. I don't claim to be much of an insider, but there was a third part involved, and it wasn't a very well kept secret. My intentions were never to broadcast the details, which suffice to say, none of you would believe anyway. It's that crazy. I'm talking Ben Stiller movie material absurd. So take it with a grain of salt, and hold out for an actual public explanation for why the group parted ways with their celebrated producer.

For the record, I thought TT5B sounded a lot like the Rick Rubin days, in that the more they record Hip Hop, the more it all sounds familiar and like a signature sound. I wish some of the beats didn't sound so same-y between songs, but whatever. It was still an improvement over that garbage anti-war song they produced with those prefab clanking that sound like they came off a free Rebirth soundbank theme.

Oh, and yeah I've been lurking here for a while, nothing inspired me to post until now.

[abell215]

actually, i AM mario c.

and mario c is actually mario van peebles.

and mario van peebles is a BAD ASS.

but mario lopez is not mario van peebles.

kieth van horn is mario lopez.


BASED ON THE INFORMATION ABOVE, WHO IS RICHARD MARX SINGING ABOUT IN THE 1988 SMASH HIT, "HOLD ON TO THE NIGHTS" ?

[SR Cranks]

<<It's that crazy. I'm talking Ben Stiller movie material absurd.>>

Did it have anything to do with Mario "Nagging Nonni about the Pesto Pizza?" and Yauch's "Recipe for Pasta with Pesto". Maybe a feud broke out over the "original" cook-off. Hmmmm.

Well, I for one think that Mario's skills and influence was sorely missed on TT5B, as well as in the live arena, where you didn't get the crazy fx thrown on their vocals.

[abell215]

Well, I for one think that Mario's skills and influence was sorely missed on TT5B, as well as in the live arena, where you didn't get the crazy fx thrown on their vocals.




AMEN

[abell215]

Hey I think I have a right to voice my opinion. I've been a fan for 15 years and I'm a DJ/big hip hop fan. Abell215 has a right too. The beats were a little boring and generic in my opinion. If that's your sort of thing, cool. I'm a big A Tribe Called Quest fan, but I think their last album "The Love Movement" had a lot of boring, repetitive beats also (even though the great J Dilla was partly responsible).


thank you, dj pioneer

[dirtydan11]

actually, i AM mario c.

and mario c is actually mario van peebles.

and mario van peebles is a BAD ASS.

but mario lopez is not mario van peebles.

kieth van horn is mario lopez.


BASED ON THE INFORMATION ABOVE, WHO IS RICHARD MARX SINGING ABOUT IN THE 1988 SMASH HIT, "HOLD ON TO THE NIGHTS" ?


HAHAHAHA (y)

[dirtydan11]

Well gosh fellas, I guess I just made the whole darned thing up. Feel better? The fact is, it's amazing we're going on 5+ years without even the standard "Bill Berry is moving to a farm, he'd much rather play with cows then be in a rock band called REM" type of explanation I believe fans are owed. I don't claim to be much of an insider, but there was a third part involved, and it wasn't a very well kept secret. My intentions were never to broadcast the details, which suffice to say, none of you would believe anyway. It's that crazy. I'm talking Ben Stiller movie material absurd. So take it with a grain of salt, and hold out for an actual public explanation for why the group parted ways with their celebrated producer.

For the record, I thought TT5B sounded a lot like the Rick Rubin days, in that the more they record Hip Hop, the more it all sounds familiar and like a signature sound. I wish some of the beats didn't sound so same-y between songs, but whatever. It was still an improvement over that garbage anti-war song they produced with those prefab clanking that sound like they came off a free Rebirth soundbank theme.

Oh, and yeah I've been lurking here for a while, nothing inspired me to post until now.

SPILL DAMN IT!!!!!!! C'mon.. You're past the point of no return now.. PM me at least(lb) (lb)

[chechina]

I have no idea why Mario C left, and if anybody has any info on it, I would love to hear it. The Beasties were very vague about it, which is characteristic of them, and though I respect their right to talk about whatever they want, I still want to know what happened. Damnit, I liked Mario C; where did he go?

Everybody on these boards is used to rumours and bullshit, and we can decide for ourselves what we want to believe.

[Kid Presentable]

Can't be that bad; Mark and Mario grew up together and Mark's still around. Maybe it's a coastal beef.

[blipstutter]

The falling out was between Mario and one member of the group. Everyone else is still cool.

[Kid Presentable]

The falling out was between Mario and one member of the group. Everyone else is still cool.
You and the group must have fun together.

[DJ_Skrilla]

So the Beasties are trying to make a Check Your Head 2 without Mario C?

When you compare CYH + IC vs TT5B, I feel like TT5B is a great album but it does lacks the warm quality vinyl type feeling that the other albums had. TT5B's sounded digital. Even hello nasty started to drift into the digital realm, while it still had some great songs made with instruments. 5 Boroughs sounds was like it was all made from digital sources.... I like the cripy-ness and the great sound when played on a super dope 5.1 system, but still nothing beats Check your Head spinnin on your turntable. Its like apples and oranges. I mean no one compares LTI to CYH because they are completely so opposite, producer wise.

Mario C is a great producer, but the Beastie Boys CAN do it without him. Obviously with the time they (beasties) like to take while making albums it would just be too expensive to have mario sitting at the boards the whole time. I think DURO handled the last album great... its hard to tell how much input he had on the actual songs.

It seems u guys are more referring to Mario as part of the creative group and not just mastering the sound. No one is doubting that, but its 2007 and the Boys have moved on. So has Mario.... Maybe someday we will see a reunion...

[Brother McDuff]

im expecting this next project to "sound" like Hello Nasty, in a sonic sense. Up to IC, all their recording was analog, then HN was a mix of both analog and digital. there's an article that states that the beasties originally wanted to use their Neve console on the recording of TT5B, but decided to go with Duro's digital workstation because it lended itself to the style they were doing more. from the looks of the o-scope cam, though, it looks like their board is getting a whole lot of usage, though I don't see an analog tape machine anywhere. perhaps they're recording digital and just mixing analog. who knows, but for my money im expecting a hybrid.

it'll be interesting, though, to see how the mixes change now that Mario's not behind the boards and they're back to instruments. i guess we'll really see now how valuable his "sonic" role was in the whole process.

[mcamuto]

So the Beasties are trying to make a Check Your Head 2 without Mario C?

When you compare CYH + IC vs TT5B, I feel like TT5B is a great album but it does lacks the warm quality vinyl type feeling that the other albums had. TT5B's sounded digital. Even hello nasty started to drift into the digital realm, while it still had some great songs made with instruments. 5 Boroughs sounds was like it was all made from digital sources.... I like the cripy-ness and the great sound when played on a super dope 5.1 system, but still nothing beats Check your Head spinnin on your turntable. Its like apples and oranges. I mean no one compares LTI to CYH because they are completely so opposite, producer wise.

Mario C is a great producer, but the Beastie Boys CAN do it without him. Obviously with the time they (beasties) like to take while making albums it would just be too expensive to have mario sitting at the boards the whole time. I think DURO handled the last album great... its hard to tell how much input he had on the actual songs.

It seems u guys are more referring to Mario as part of the creative group and not just mastering the sound. No one is doubting that, but its 2007 and the Boys have moved on. So has Mario.... Maybe someday we will see a reunion...

TT5B sounded like it could have been made on a college kids mac-book or something. It seems like for the beasties its a combo of the samples they use or beats they make, the production and the layering. Some bands are always 'looped based' i.e. just one sample and it seems like TT5B was very much like that compared to the other albums. I am not sure if Mario would have really made TT5B sound much different given the raw material it had in terms of samples and such. If they do some shit like CYH where they played instruments and then sampled/cut them up, who knows what the difference between Mario and the Boys would have been. Maybe I am just smoking crack

[Kid Presentable]

im expecting this next project to "sound" like Hello Nasty, in a sonic sense. Up to IC, all their recording was analog, then HN was a mix of both analog and digital. there's an article that states that the beasties originally wanted to use their Neve console on the recording of TT5B, but decided to go with Duro's digital workstation because it lended itself to the style they were doing more. from the looks of the o-scope cam, though, it looks like their board is getting a whole lot of usage, though I don't see an analog tape machine anywhere. perhaps they're recording digital and just mixing analog. who knows, but for my money im expecting a hybrid.

it'll be interesting, though, to see how the mixes change now that Mario's not behind the boards and they're back to instruments. i guess we'll really see now how valuable his "sonic" role was in the whole process.
The drums hopefully sound big.

[Brother McDuff]

yeah, mario had great drum tones. i wouldn't dread if they weren't big, though. i mean listen to the drums in namaste and something's gotta give; they're very compact and dry, giving them a more soft-spoken in your face attitude. i dug those drums alot.

[blipstutter]

I think you all hit the nail in the head with the quality of the drum tones being a huge contribution from Mario. I believe he spent a lot of time getting some of those tracks to sound they way they do. You have to also give him credit for bringing in the cheap mics with the sound effects built in, and trusting his intuition when the sounds worked. He's also a great reference point for music, and while I'm not entirely sure of it, I think the more instrumental tracks were heavily influenced by him. I don't think a lot of their fans realize how heavy the reference points are, but if you buy a lot of records you can see where a lot of the ideas came from. From what I know of Hello Nasty, a lot of the demos were very BS2000 like, and he had a bit of a time sorting them into songs and keeping everyone stimulated. Personally, I get the sense they were going after an unfullfilled sound, and I really do hope things work out down the road. I'm not really crazy about the other stuff he's produced.

[Brother McDuff]

Personally, I get the sense they were going after an unfullfilled sound, and I really do hope things work out down the road. I'm not really crazy about the other stuff he's produced.

mario said in an interview that he and the beasties still hadnt made the best record that hes knows they could together. he says that its unlikely though since the beasties are kinda doin their own thing now. that interview was from years ago.