Obama birth saga

[chromium05]

OK. This thing is really dragging out. O has spent big money to avoid having to prove anything. But there are archived newspaper articles from before he was a presidential contender often referred to his been Kenyan born.

This is a Kenyan newspaper based in Nairobi - Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate (http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm)

There is also this (http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2006/Jan/08/ln/FP601080334.html) article. Whilst it mentions Obamas schooling in Hawaii, the article has had a line of text scrubbed.

That line stated: " Duckworth is happy to point out that she and Hawai'i-raised Punahou graduate Obama have "a kama'aina connection. Both were born outside the country — Obama in Indonesia, Duckworth in Thailand — and graduated from high school in Honolulu — Punahou and McKinley, respectively."

Kenya, Indonesia AND Hawaii?

I expect a lot of "So what?" answers.

I will just point you to this (http://fightinwordsusa.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/obama-poised-to-cede-us-soverignty-claims-british-lord/) piece - "Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty" - read it through, follow the links.

[100% ILL]

I agree, the Kenyan's presidency is invalid.

[WildBaldMonkey]

Nice articles!! I'm surprised the majority of the folks here haven't cursed you up one side and down the other yet! If the articles are accurate dark times are on their way...

[saz]

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

mouth-breathing knuckle-dragging neanderthal meatheads are not only racist but batshit insane.

[yeahwho]

The thing that is the most amazing about all of this is his parents conspiring with the Honolulu Advertiser back in August of 1961 knowing the newborn Kenyan would someday be the President of the USA.

This conspiracy goes way back, socialists are very savvy.

[Bob]

oh my god

[kaiser soze]

How can be Kenyan if he's half-white!?

[yeahwho]

How can be Kenyan if he's half-white!?

His mothers side of the family are socialists. Not Africans.

[Dorothy Wood]

I think he's an alien.

[travesty]

I think he's an alien.

Me too! No Earthly life form could possibly be this out of touch with the people.

[yeahwho]

These sort of threads can be maddening for only one reason, yet again the focus is on Obama and a non topic. Only a moron would spend time on this sort of nonsense then to go on after it is established this is blatant bullshit... to go on and blame all of the current crisis on Obama is fucking insane.

The banking industry created the biggest scandal ever perpetuated on the American public,

As bankers calculate their potential bonuses (http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2009/s2716072.htm), many in America's heartland are wondering how to pay the next bill.

With unemployment yet to peak a new report on the housing slump shows that Americans continue to lose their home to foreclosures at a staggering rate - 425 an hour or seven every minute.

She's 97 and homeless (http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bessie-vid,0,6819231.htmlstory)

The realities of our current economy become CLOSER to your doorstep when will the nonsense of where Obama was born stop?

How does one reconcile the fact they have been hoodwinked and lied to for decades?

The people are out of touch in this thread, not the president.

[travesty]

How does one reconcile the fact they have been hoodwinked and lied to for decades?
.

One can only begin to reconcile the fact that they have been hoodwinked and lied to for decades by realizing that they are going to be hoodwinked and lied to for at least another three years. It's frustrating as hell. Where's my change?

[saz]

video (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/real-time-new-rules-july-31-2009)

Never underestimate the ability of a tiny fringe group of losers to ruin everything.

For the last couple of weeks, we've all been laughing heartily at the wacky antics of the "birthers" -- the far-right goofballs who claim Barack Obama wasn't really born in Hawaii and therefore the job of president goes to the runner-up, former Miss California Carrie Prejean.

Also, when Obama was sworn in as president, he forgot to give his answer in the form of a question.

And yet, every week, the chorus of conservatives demanding to see his birth certificate grows. It's like they're the Cambridge police, Obama's in his house -- the White House -- and they need to see some ID.

And there's nothing anyone can do to convince these folks. You could hand them, in person, the original birth certificate and have a video of Obama emerging from the womb with Don Ho singing in the background ... and they still wouldn't believe it.

Which raises the question: Why, in this country, is it always the religious right that won't take anything on faith?

So far, the reaction from Democrats is to laugh this off, and I understand why. If you seriously believe that President Obama is an African sleeper spy, get out of your chat room and have your house tested for lead.

But we live in America, and in America, if you don't immediately kill arrant nonsense, no matter how ridiculous, it can grow and thrive and eventually take over, like crab grass or reality shows about fat people.

This flap might be a deluded right-wing obsession that is a total waste of time, but so was Whitewater, and look where that ended up. A handful of Republican operatives, enraged at Bill Clinton's unprecedented economic growth and budget surpluses, found a woman named Paula Jones, which led to a woman named Monica Lewinsky, which gave me enough material to eventually be able to buy a big house in Bel-Air. Which I'm still conflicted about.

More recently we had the Swift Boat allegations against John Kerry, in which Kerry was accused of volunteering to serve in Vietnam so he could jump in front of a bullet so he could get a medal and then throw it away to satisfy his urge to insult real Americans. This was so stupid that Kerry refused to even discuss it.

And we all know how well that worked out.

And once these stories get out there, they're hard to stamp out because our media do such a lousy job of speaking truth to stupid. Vietnam, Iraq and the Spanish-American War were all sold on lies that were unchallenged or even abetted by the media. Clinton got impeached and Kerry got destroyed in large part because the media didn't have the guts to say, "This is nonsense."

Lou Dobbs has been saying recently that people are asking a lot of questions about the birth certificate. Yes, the same people who want to know where the sun goes at night.

And Lou, you're their new king.

That's why it's so important that we the few, the proud, the reality-based attack this stuff before it has a chance to fester and spread. This isn't a case of Democrats versus Republicans. It's sentient beings versus the lizard people, and it is to them I offer this deal: I'll show you Obama's birth certificate when you show me Sarah Palin's high school diploma.

[DroppinScience]

So the sloppy journalism of a random Kenyan newspaper is substantial proof of Obama "hiding" something? And I saw your link to the Hawaii newspaper. They printed a correction saying they got Obama's place of birth wrong initially. I don't know if you're a regular reader of newspapers, but it is common for a newspaper to initially print something wrong in an article (e.g. misspelled name, the identity of family members, etc.) and then the next day they print a CORRECTION apologizing for the error and gives the right information.

I can't say I'm really surprised that chromium posted this thread. I don't think he's met a conspiracy theory he doesn't love. Weren't you the one who claimed to have bet the equivalent of $50 US that Hillary Clinton would be the next president no matter what. You continued to say this after she lost the Democratic nomination. In fact, you continued to stand by this after the November election, saying something unexpected would happen that would clear a path to power for her. It's 9 months into Obama's term and Hillary Clinton still isn't president.

[Bob]

video (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/real-time-new-rules-july-31-2009)

Never underestimate the ability of a tiny fringe group of losers to ruin everything.

For the last couple of weeks, we've all been laughing heartily at the wacky antics of the "birthers" -- the far-right goofballs who claim Barack Obama wasn't really born in Hawaii and therefore the job of president goes to the runner-up, former Miss California Carrie Prejean.

Also, when Obama was sworn in as president, he forgot to give his answer in the form of a question.

And yet, every week, the chorus of conservatives demanding to see his birth certificate grows. It's like they're the Cambridge police, Obama's in his house -- the White House -- and they need to see some ID.

And there's nothing anyone can do to convince these folks. You could hand them, in person, the original birth certificate and have a video of Obama emerging from the womb with Don Ho singing in the background ... and they still wouldn't believe it.

Which raises the question: Why, in this country, is it always the religious right that won't take anything on faith?

So far, the reaction from Democrats is to laugh this off, and I understand why. If you seriously believe that President Obama is an African sleeper spy, get out of your chat room and have your house tested for lead.

But we live in America, and in America, if you don't immediately kill arrant nonsense, no matter how ridiculous, it can grow and thrive and eventually take over, like crab grass or reality shows about fat people.

This flap might be a deluded right-wing obsession that is a total waste of time, but so was Whitewater, and look where that ended up. A handful of Republican operatives, enraged at Bill Clinton's unprecedented economic growth and budget surpluses, found a woman named Paula Jones, which led to a woman named Monica Lewinsky, which gave me enough material to eventually be able to buy a big house in Bel-Air. Which I'm still conflicted about.

More recently we had the Swift Boat allegations against John Kerry, in which Kerry was accused of volunteering to serve in Vietnam so he could jump in front of a bullet so he could get a medal and then throw it away to satisfy his urge to insult real Americans. This was so stupid that Kerry refused to even discuss it.

And we all know how well that worked out.

And once these stories get out there, they're hard to stamp out because our media do such a lousy job of speaking truth to stupid. Vietnam, Iraq and the Spanish-American War were all sold on lies that were unchallenged or even abetted by the media. Clinton got impeached and Kerry got destroyed in large part because the media didn't have the guts to say, "This is nonsense."

Lou Dobbs has been saying recently that people are asking a lot of questions about the birth certificate. Yes, the same people who want to know where the sun goes at night.

And Lou, you're their new king.

That's why it's so important that we the few, the proud, the reality-based attack this stuff before it has a chance to fester and spread. This isn't a case of Democrats versus Republicans. It's sentient beings versus the lizard people, and it is to them I offer this deal: I'll show you Obama's birth certificate when you show me Sarah Palin's high school diploma.

the daily show had a great segment (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-22-2009/the-born-identity) where lou dobbs' substitute pundit presented a bunch of evidence debunking the conspiracy theory (on lou dobbs' show) and then dobbs proceeded to ignore it 3 days later

skip to about 3:40 (though the whole thing is great)

[yeahwho]

One can only begin to reconcile the fact that they have been hoodwinked and lied to for decades by realizing that they are going to be hoodwinked and lied to for at least another three years. It's frustrating as hell. Where's my change?

Well I'm sort of certain you're not a birther, I think you possess reasonable intelligence, so being frustrated due to a system that wore away at our protections as consumers for decades isn't going to be changed anytime soon.

This whole breakdown that millions of people seem to think happened January 22, 2009 yet millions of others (basically everybody I know including my family) had been documenting and expecting ever since Bush (YES BUSH!) entered office... this isn't a surprise. Barack Obama has the unfortunate position of being in the worst possible place at the worst possible time. And to top it off everybody is a critic.

the daily show had a great segment (http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-22-2009/the-born-identity) where lou dobbs' substitute pundit presented a bunch of evidence debunking the conspiracy theory (on lou dobbs' show) and then dobbs proceeded to ignore it 3 days later

skip to about 3:40 (though the whole thing is great)

Orly Taitz, your one stop shop for all things tooth, legal and shelter related.

[Burnout18]

oh god this is still going on?

[yeahwho]

oh god this is still going on?

It's the Ku Klux Klan of the new millennium.

[yeahwho]

lol Orly Taitz (O Rly?Yes O Rly!)just got slapped with a $20,000 for her false accusations about Obama's birth.

A federal judge in Georgia has fined a leader of the movement that claims President Barack Obama was born outside the U.S. and isn't eligible to be president.

U.S. District Judge Clay D. Land's scathing 43-page order says California lawyer and dentist Orly Taitz is attempting to misuse the federal courts to press "wild accusations."

AP release (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jTUheG7oliYrZ4SrxT_0UvQ8vEDQD9BAV75G0) Federal judge in Ga. sanctions 'birther' attorney

[yeahwho]

Just for you lawyer types here is the sanction imposed upon Orly Taitz, the actual order is hilarious, the Judge had srly had enuff and was left with no choice but charging Orly with Disorly Conduct (http://www.scribd.com/doc/20996403/Gov-uscourts-gamd-77605-28-0).

[travesty]

Well I'm sort of certain you're not a birther, I think you possess reasonable intelligence, so being frustrated due to a system that wore away at our protections as consumers for decades isn't going to be changed anytime soon.

This whole breakdown that millions of people seem to think happened January 22, 2009 yet millions of others (basically everybody I know including my family) had been documenting and expecting ever since Bush (YES BUSH!) entered office... this isn't a surprise. Barack Obama has the unfortunate position of being in the worst possible place at the worst possible time. And to top it off everybody is a critic.


Thanks for the vote of confidence and you're right, the whole birther thing seems absurd to me but I'm all for people questioning everything. I just think that if you are going to question things you have to also be willing to accept the real answers.

As for all of the criticism of Obama I think that the decades of BS we have dealt with from Washington, coupled with tough economic times is bringing the issues to a head with a lot of people. I think the bailouts and the stimulus scams have pushed people's tolerance past the breaking point and by virtue of being the sitting President, Obama is getting the fingers pointed at him right now. To me, it's justified because even though he did step in to a shit storm his repsonses have, thus far, proven that he is no more willing to address the root causes of the problems than any previous POTUS. Given that change was his entire campaign message he has failed miserably to give us any reason to believe he has the faintest semblance of the backbone needed to stand up and deliver. As far as I can tell in the first nine months he has proven to be nothing short of another egomaniacal partisan corporate patsy which has characterized nearly every POTUS for the least 3-4 decades. He might lean more toward Patchouli than Stetson but he still stinks, and that's what is drawing so much ire.

[yeahwho]

Thanks for the vote of confidence and you're right, the whole birther thing seems absurd to me but I'm all for people questioning everything. I just think that if you are going to question things you have to also be willing to accept the real answers.

As for all of the criticism of Obama I think that the decades of BS we have dealt with from Washington, coupled with tough economic times is bringing the issues to a head with a lot of people. I think the bailouts and the stimulus scams have pushed people's tolerance past the breaking point and by virtue of being the sitting President, Obama is getting the fingers pointed at him right now. To me, it's justified because even though he did step in to a shit storm his repsonses have, thus far, proven that he is no more willing to address the root causes of the problems than any previous POTUS. Given that change was his entire campaign message he has failed miserably to give us any reason to believe he has the faintest semblance of the backbone needed to stand up and deliver. As far as I can tell in the first nine months he has proven to be nothing short of another egomaniacal partisan corporate patsy which has characterized nearly every POTUS for the least 3-4 decades. He might lean more toward Patchouli than Stetson but he still stinks, and that's what is drawing so much ire.

Criticism is one thing, I understand reasonable criticism. Insane maniacal ranting is something altogether different. I'm glad you are not a birther.

I do disagree with all the talk on bailouts (initiated by Bush and followed through on by Obama, this is not the fault of Obama yet many a shortsighted citizen seems to think he got us into this mess) and the job creations. The Republican party and many minions of this mindset are totally against job creation here at home. The mere mention of saving GM sets people into hysterics, what if he decided to help out other failing industries?

What are the alternatives to being jaded? I'm still waiting to hear how we can turn around decades of selling out America and Americans in a few short years. I sure as hel don't need to hear how it's all Obama's fault because I'm slightly more intelligent than that. The whole "It's Obama's Fault" is nothing more than an early Republican campaign.

[travesty]

Criticism is one thing, I understand reasonable criticism. Insane maniacal ranting is something altogether different. I'm glad you are not a birther.

I do disagree with all the talk on bailouts (initiated by Bush and followed through on by Obama, this is not the fault of Obama yet many a shortsighted citizen seems to think he got us into this mess) and the job creations. The Republican party and many minions of this mindset are totally against job creation here at home. The mere mention of saving GM sets people into hysterics, what if he decided to help out other failing industries?

What are the alternatives to being jaded? I'm still waiting to hear how we can turn around decades of selling out America and Americans in a few short years. I sure as hel don't need to hear how it's all Obama's fault because I'm slightly more intelligent than that. The whole "It's Obama's Fault" is nothing more than an early Republican campaign.

How can you possibly be for saving jobs at GM, a company that failed under the weight of it's own business model for the last 25 years and employed 266,000 people worldwide but you're willing to let the US government step in and initiate a complete shut down of the US health insurance industry that directly employs over 1 million people domestically and millions more indirectly? That hardly makes sense. When a Public Option is passed and threatens to collapse many of the big health insurance companies are you going to be OK with bailing them out too? Because if GM is too big to fail, then certainly the insurance companies are too. Somehow I doubt you'll see it this way but that's just liberal selective perception.

I don't think our problems can be turned around in a few short years, the ship is too big. However, you gotta start turning the wheel and Obama hasn't shown me that he is willing to do that. Rest assured that if he continues on the current path "It's Obama's Fault" will be the Republican campaign slogan for 2012....and it will be true and it will work.

[yeahwho]

Rest assured that if he continues on the current path "It's Obama's Fault" will be the Republican campaign slogan for 2012....and it will be true and it will work.

That has been the Republican campaign since before Obama was swore in. Will be? lol. The logic you display with that statement is the same logic you apply in the other thread with the sad statistics of Health insurance corporate profits... which you neglected to say are in the billions for the top companies. Billions in profits.

[travesty]

That has been the Republican campaign since before Obama was swore in. Will be? lol. The logic you display with that statement is the same logic you apply in the other thread with the sad statistics of Health insurance corporate profits... which you neglected to say are in the billions for the top companies. Billions in profits.

It's always the ousted party's campaign to blame the guy who was in charge. Don't act shocked. You've never said it's Bush's fault? Yeah Right.

Once again you show a real lack of business acuumen. So what if their profits are in Billions if you are doing hundreds of billions in revenue you are going to have billions in profit. Duh! Are you telling me that you favor capping profits for companies in America? That there should be a limit on what companies can make? That's a real slippery slope bro errr comrade.

[yeahwho]

It's always the ousted party's campaign to blame the guy who was in charge. Don't act shocked. You've never said it's Bush's fault? Yeah Right.

Once again you show a real lack of business acuumen. So what if their profits are in Billions if you are doing hundreds of billions in revenue you are going to have billions in profit. Duh! Are you telling me that you favor capping profits for companies in America? That there should be a limit on what companies can make? That's a real slippery slope bro errr comrade.

Look, you can be smart and then you can be condescending. The above post is ridiculous and so far removed from any logical thought in my brain that it doesn't deserve even this response.

I make money and I have money. I work with people and live with people who make money and have money. I have been all over the spectrum as far as financial resources in my life, from living in my ratty old car in a parking lot to living in a beautiful home with a brand new car in the garage.

You have a tendency to attack without prior investigation. I just responded to your statement;

I don't think our problems can be turned around in a few short years, the ship is too big. However, you gotta start turning the wheel and Obama hasn't shown me that he is willing to do that. Rest assured that if he continues on the current path "It's Obama's Fault" will be the Republican campaign slogan for 2012....and it will be true and it will work.


Then you come back at me as if I'm a naive babe in the woods. I'm not Bambi and I'm nobody's fool. You can only insult me to a certain point before I realize I've obviously won the day. So go ahead and tell me more about my lack of business acumen and call me comrade, but realize that is a fantasy you live in. Not me.

[travesty]

Look, you can be smart and then you can be condescending. The above post is ridiculous and so far removed from any logical thought in my brain that it doesn't deserve even this response.

I make money and I have money. I work with people and live with people who make money and have money. I have been all over the spectrum as far as financial resources in my life, from living in my ratty old car in a parking lot to living in a beautiful home with a brand new car in the garage.

You have a tendency to attack without prior investigation. I just responded to your statement;

Goddamn you're thin skinned bro. If that post doesn't make sense to you than tell me what you are trying to say by complaining about billion dollar profits? What's your point? The industries that make your car, that fill the gas tank, that put food on your table, that put clothes on your back, that educate your kids and put a roof over your head all make billion dollar profits. WTF is your point? I'm not attacking I am just asking WTF is your point?


Then you come back at me as if I'm a naive babe in the woods. I'm not Bambi and I'm nobody's fool. You can only insult me to a certain point before I realize I've obviously won the day. So go ahead and tell me more about my lack of business acumen and call me comrade, but realize that is a fantasy you live in. Not me.

WTF? Now you're cracking me up.... "Bambi in the woods"????. I'm not trying to insult you holmes, I am trying to figure out what you mean, what you are implying and the real reason you are complaining about billion dollar profits. That's why I ask questions like "are you telling me.....". I'm hoping we can get to the real reason for your ire because I do know you are sensible enough that it likely has little to do with corporate stockholders making a very modest return on their investment.

[yeahwho]

Goddamn you're thin skinned bro. If that post doesn't make sense to you than tell me what you are trying to say by complaining about billion dollar profits? What's your point? The industries that make your car, that fill the gas tank, that put food on your table, that put clothes on your back, that educate your kids and put a roof over your head all make billion dollar profits. WTF is your point? I'm not attacking I am just asking WTF is your point?





WTF? Now you're cracking me up.... "Bambi in the woods"????. I'm not trying to insult you holmes, I am trying to figure out what you mean, what you are implying and the real reason you are complaining about billion dollar profits. That's why I ask questions like "are you telling me.....". I'm hoping we can get to the real reason for your ire because I do know you are sensible enough that it likely has little to do with corporate stockholders making a very modest return on their investment.

Hey asshole quit calling me names, quit asking me moronic questions. I'm talking about health care, not oil, groceries and clothing.

[travesty]

Hey asshole quit calling me names, quit asking me moronic questions. I'm talking about health care, not oil, groceries and clothing.

Who's calling you names? I am asking you one simple question......

What is your point?

Get some sleep bro.

[yeahwho]

Who's calling you names? I am asking you one simple question......

What is your point?

Get some sleep bro.

My point? I'm responding to someone who has nothing good to say about anything going on at all in the USA. Since the birther thing isn't working out you get negative about "Everything Obama" then flip shit to anyone who disagrees.

My point is flip shit to someone who takes it. I'm going to come right back at you because I find your style of demeaning my country and president to be repugnant.

[travesty]

My point? I'm responding to someone who has nothing good to say about anything going on at all in the USA. Since the birther thing isn't working out you get negative about "Everything Obama" then flip shit to anyone who disagrees.

My point is flip shit to someone who takes it. I'm going to come right back at you because I find your style of demeaning my country and president to be repugnant.

I have alot of good to say about exactly what is going on in the USA....debate and discussion. It was invigorating to participate in until I realized that I was trying to have a discussion with someone who can't even clarify their point. I do often take the other side of the mainstream on this board just to show that there are two sides to every argument. I try and present facts and back them up rationally. I am sorry if that upsets you to consider alternative views.

You're right I have nothing good to say about our President right now. He has proven to be a spineless corporate tool. That I can't support that and 2012 can't come quickly enough for me. Sorry I'm not on the Obama bandwagon.

[yeahwho]

What upsets me isn't anything to do with your POV. It is labeling me, as you've done throughout this thread.

Once again you show a real lack of business acuumen. (sic)

Somehow I doubt you'll see it this way but that's just liberal selective perception.

That's a real slippery slope bro errr comrade.

Goddamn you're thin skinned bro.

I'm not trying to insult you holmes

All of the above statements are incorrect, they blind your argument and serve nothing more than a fantasy you live in. Because I'm not joining the Obama bash doesn't make me lesser than thou. It doesn't make me less objective and it doesn't make me less factual.

I try and add up the above comments and all I see is insincerity and condescension.

Not to mention how far away you've directed the topic...

Yet decidedly made it into another style of "Obama Bashing".

[travesty]

What upsets me isn't anything to do with your POV. It is labeling me, as you've done throughout this thread.

I've never labeled you as anything other than than someone with left leaning ideals. I didn't think that was a secret or anything to be ashamed of.

All of the above statements are incorrect, they blind your argument and serve nothing more than a fantasy you live in. Because I'm not joining the Obama bash doesn't make me lesser than thou. It doesn't make me less objective and it doesn't make me less factual.

I don't want you to join in any Obama bashing and I would think far less of you if you did. I would go to some Heritage Foundation or Fox MB if I wanted someone to join the Obama bashing. I was hoping that you would stand up and defend your viewpoint and comments with some reasonable amount of factual evidence and aplomb.

I try and add up the above comments and all I see is insincerity and condescension.

I'm sorry but when people make broad, absurd and baseless comments like you did with;
....same logic you apply in the other thread with the sad statistics of Health insurance corporate profits... which you neglected to say are in the billions for the top companies. Billions in profits.
I sure as fuck am going to call you out on it and try and clarify what your point was and I expect you to do the same. If you can't take a few lighthearted jabs like "Comrade" then yes I must seem very condescending. I don't have to tell you what kind of monikers people on this board call myself and the more conservative posters....way worse than "comrade". Knuckle dragger, Mouth breather, neo-con doesn't offend me in the least....comrade shouldn't offend you. My observation of thin skinned is only being reinforced.

[100% ILL]

I wonder if it's too late to get a commemorative dinner plate, those shits were awesome! (y)

[yeahwho]

travesty, this thread is about the Obama birth saga. Whatever you think you have corrected me on or outsmarted me, congratulations.

You come across as more than a bit off topic and very proud. You are a very smart person. I still do not know why you are so obsessed with insurance companies. Every chance you get you stick up for insurance companies. (even in birther threads) Or is it just an opportunity to keep the anti Obama rhetoric going?

I'm happy you have no need to ask people to not call you names.

[yeahwho]

I wonder if it's too late to get a commemorative dinner plate, those shits were awesome! (y)

Go for the Chia (http://www.eblogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/barack-obama-chia-pet.jpg), it's Green!

[100% ILL]

Go for the Chia (http://www.eblogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/barack-obama-chia-pet.jpg), it's Green!

HA HA........:D touche'

[travesty]

Nothing was off-topic on this thread until you said;

"The Republican party and many minions of this mindset are totally against job creation here at home. The mere mention of saving GM sets people into hysterics, what if he decided to help out other failing industries?"

and

"The logic you display with that statement is the same logic you apply in the other thread with the sad statistics of Health insurance corporate profits... which you neglected to say are in the billions for the top companies. Billions in profits."

I tried to get you to clarify these statements and that is when you started crying that I was being mean and consdescending. I apologize to everyone else on here that it came to that.

For the last time I am not sticking up for the insurance companies. I am trying to present facts that dispute the misinformation that the White House is spouting in order to acheive their agenda. Aren't getting the facts the reason why we come to this board?

[yeahwho]

Go to the health care thread. (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=1704141#post1704141)

[yeahwho]

Coming back to this topic and the fact that last month a survey by Public Policy Polling reports that 42% (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_National_9231210.pdf) of Republicans do not believe that Obama was born in the USA makes for some serious disconnect in the Republican Party.

I believe that some very powerful people want to cast doubt that Obama is not a US citizen and also love the fact that moronic threads such as these proliferate the internet. To that degree they have been successful, but to those that distribute this information as if it were fact, you are literally perpetuating a lie about our Country and our President.

With all of the fantastic bullshit that is really happening why would somebody want to discuss this? My theory is because of the corporate love Obama is showing to financial institutions the birther distraction is the perfect foil for the status quo.

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