AZ Protesters are Racist, Violent , Hatemongers

[travesty]

Immigration protesters in AZ are racist and sexist. They are just opposing immigration reform just because the Governor Jan Brewer is a white woman. The movement is in no way a grassroots effort. It has been carefully coordinated by La Raza to thwart everything Brewe and her administration is trying to accomplish. They have been parading around with nazi swatikas and signs depicting the governor as Hitler.:eek: There has been violence toward supporters of the bill and destruction of personal property. These people are domestic terrorists, plain and simple. Arrests have been made and police security has, at times, been overwhelmed. These protesters are moronic, uneducated wetbacks who don't have enough sense to know that Brewer is trying to help all Arizonians. These people must hate the legal Americans that this bill will help keep safe and employed. They are obviously selfish and care for no one but themselves. There is no doubt that this is all racially driven and the rhetoric from talking heads like Sharpton, Olbermann and Janet Murguria are only pushing these, racist, small minded mouthbreathers toward more violence. This is a "dangerous" movement.

How come no outrage here? Where is everyone denouncing these people and refuting their racist agenda?



Didn't that sound idiotic, and absurd? Didn't it make me look like a complete idiot? Isn't it evidence that I am completely overlooking the real issue and marginilizing the legitimate concerns of these people protesting an abhorantly bad piece of legislation? Well NO SHIT!!!

This is the same stupid crap I've been hearing on this forum about the "teabaggers" for the last 6 months. The left and everyone in the media are all hypocrites of you all don't put these people under the same scrutiny that you have the Tea Party, their ideals, their reason for protest and their ad hock leaders. That's a challenge.

[Burnout18]

This is the same stupid crap I've been hearing on this forum about the "teabaggers" for the last 6 months. The left and everyone in the media are all hypocrites of you all don't put these people under the same scrutiny that you have the Tea Party, their ideals, their reason for protest and their ad hock leaders. That's a challenge.

people have also called obama a racist. people have also called obama a nazi. people have told me obama is an affirmative action president and is unqualified; plus he is not smart because he never practiced law.

See i thought you were actually sarcastically bashing the right and the tea baggers up until the end of your post.

[DroppinScience]

Uh-huh, uh-huh.

Let me know when the protesters get arrested for threatening to assassinate the Arizona governor, almost bomb her home, yell racial epithets at lawmakers, and so on.

It's a false and overly simplistic analogy. Oh yeah, and the Arizona law in question is fucked up on so many different levels that the protests are warranted.

[QueenAdrock]

Where's your proof that they've become violent and racist? I haven't heard or seen anything about them intimidating lawmakers or yelling racist things at them. I haven't seen any signs with sexist or racial messages against lawmakers. If they do, I'll be the first to say that it's bullshit.

The worst I've seen is a Nazi flag crossed out that says "Where're your papers?" Comparing this bill to what was seen under the Nuremberg Laws in Germany is quite different than the teabaggers claiming Obama's Hitler because they don't like paying taxes for health care (which, sorry, wasn't at the top of Hitler's "To-Do" list in the 30s and 40s). They have a legitimate concern of a police state, whereas teabaggers are just pissed off and want to pull the Nazi card as a shock tactic.

Either way, if teabaggers are upset that people think they're racist and have no legitimate concerns against government, then don't give them reason to think so. Come OUT against the people in your party who are doing these outrageous, horrible acts, and say that you condemn it. Silence is acceptance. I'll do the same exact thing if the AZ protesters start with racist and physical attacks, because I don't want to be associated with people who resort to that kind of thing to get their message heard.

[The Notorious LOL]

what a dipshit left of field comparison.


not even left of field, more like scrounging under the bleachers and reaching.

[yeahwho]

This whole Arizona thing made me look up Public Enemy and "By the Time I Get to Arizona (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijeXGv9QLRc)" on youtube, great song, great comments here and there.

[kaiser soze]

By the looks of this bill the racists are the ones behind the bill - I'm surprised travesty would take this angle, sounds like weak protectionism.

Now I'm curious, why very little action (other than minutemen) when Bush was president? Wasn't he responsible for putting a few holes in immigration to keep cross-border business rolling?

We will have to see how this is handled, law enforcement better use extreme judgment rather than cherry picking people for proof.

[travesty]

evidence of violence and racism- Check (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZDYNQEwlM)
More evidence of racism- Sharpton is on his way there to join the protests :)- Check!
More violence- Check (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuKePSrjzHs&feature=related)

Can you imagine if the Tea Partier's started pelting the police with projectiles????

Yes DS the AZ law is fucked up, but so is the healthcare reform law. That's my point. One side of the political spectrum will always find a way to demonize and/or marginalize activists of the other bent. I get that. I'm just trying to make the point that doing so is is getting us nowhere as a country. Why can't we just take protesters of any persuasion at face value and actually listen to what they are angry about, even if we disagree. I'm just tired of seeing the hyprocrisy from both sides, it's played in my book. Of course this is a somewhat simplistic analogy but there are some very strong correlations.

[QueenAdrock]

These do seem like initial reactionary incidents, and I surely hope they've calmed down and started peaceful protest like the news reporter suggested. Violence gets us nowhere. Has there been anything continuing?

And you're right, protests should be heard for what they're saying, but a lot of teabaggers don't stick to "the issues" of hating taxes or healthcare reform or whatever else -- they'll carry around racist signs, hurl racial epithets, and screaming that they "want their country back," so I do believe that there's quite a few of them who latch onto the movement as a way to complain about OBAMA, rather than the issues. (Conversely, I sincerely doubt many of these AZ people hated the governor to begin with and are now using this law as a tangible grievance against her.) No, it's not all of them, and there are people who are legitimately only concerned about their tax dollars being spent unwisely. However, I didn't hear them loud and clear when Bush infringed on their liberties by passing the Patriot Act, nor did I hear them complain when Bush passed bloated defense budgets and a series of bailouts of his own. They've grown in ranks immensely since Obama was elected, when his policies aren't any more egregious than what Bush has done in MANY instances, so that begs the question: Why so loud now? And why the racist signs and acts? That to me doesn't say "I'm mad about taxes," it says "I'm mad about Obama." If they don't want to be portrayed that way, they have the ability to distance themselves from people who DO contribute to the racism on their side...which I have yet to see them do, and makes it very hard to take them seriously. Perhaps the people with "real issues" in the tea party are being drowned out, but they have the ability to change that, if they truly wanted to.

[DroppinScience]

I will concede there is some validity in your statements, travesty, but I have a problem with you believing that what's happening with the left (in this case, protesters in Arizona) is equal and on par with what's happening with the right (in this case, the Tea Party). It's what the media always tries to do and it rings false.

As far as I have seen it, what you posted in Arizona is more the exception and not the rule. The craziness I've been railing against on this board from the right and the Tea Party seems more like the rule and not the exception.

[RobMoney$]

I think what travesty has successfully illustrated is that the lunatic fringe exists on both sides and should not be held against the message of whatever movement they belong to.

The bottom line is that there is an increasing distrust in our government and unless something major changes (which I highly doubt it will) to repair some of that trust, then there's no doubt going to be more and more civil unrest with more lunatics venting whatever anger they're holding on to.

[travesty]

Queen you're right. It's hard to define the Tea Party when there really is a great striation of issues that people use to asscoiate themselves with the movement. For some it's taxes. for some it's healthcare, for some it's budgets in general, for some it's education, for some it's a reson to get out of the house and for some it's a reason to Blame Obama for everything. So what? The majority of protests during the last administration had many, many people blaming everything on Bush, in fact many on the left still do. If you forgot how bad it was, here's a little refresher video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSQIYStgBYY). They just don't have the gumption to mobilize large scale gatherings of like minded Bush haters anymore.

I can't support the "Obama's policies aren't any more egregious than Bush, so why are people protesting now" argument. Plainly it's BECAUSE Obama's policies are just as egregious as Bush's that people have become driven to activism.

I think you have certainly seen a push to get rid of the fringe in the Tea Party now that the GOP has it's talons in the movement. They are desperately trying to sanitize it for the media.

Good to see post once in while queen, seems like it's been so long.

[kaiser soze]

evidence of violence and racism- Check (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgZDYNQEwlM)

Do you know the context of that video? I read the individual went up to the protesting crowd and yelled "Go back to your country!"

If true, then he deserved a response

I'm sure if someone went up to a teaclan rally and said something which could be construed as racist, defamatory, or inflammatory and they responded.

I'm sure you and other conservatives on this board would more than likely say something along the lines of "Well don't go up to an angry crowd and say stupid shit" -

responsible for your own actions right?

[kaiser soze]

Also

How is this legislation approaching employers who gladly entice and hire illegals to work for them?

That seems to be the root of the problem.

[Dorothy Wood]

Also

How is this legislation approaching employers who gladly entice and hire illegals to work for them?

That seems to be the root of the problem.


Yup, this is definitely the root, the stem, and leaves of the problem.

[Whatitis]

Actually, the root of the problem in the situation of the people, and/or their country, is in that makes them seek job opportunities elsewhere. But I do agree that there should be a tougher crackdown on the employers.

[kaiser soze]

Well unfortunately our country won't change policy in Mexico any time soon. So if border states are going to amend immigration laws they should start in their own yard.

There are many border employers in Mexico who are outsourced from corporations headquartered in the U.S., so once again the U.S. should approach the employers on Mexico's side and ours and see why these individuals are running from the country into ours for $$.

This legislation feels more like profiling people rather than providing a solution from these problems.

[travesty]

Do you know the context of that video? I read the individual went up to the protesting crowd and yelled "Go back to your country!"

If true, then he deserved a response

I'm sure if someone went up to a teaclan rally and said something which could be construed as racist, defamatory, or inflammatory and they responded.

I'm sure you and other conservatives on this board would more than likely say something along the lines of "Well don't go up to an angry crowd and say stupid shit" -

responsible for your own actions right?

My point with that video was more that the latino guy talking to the news pretty much said "what do you expect will happen when a "WHITE" man shouts insults at a latino crowd"? Like the crowd would have responded differently if it had been a Japanese guy but since it was a white guy we should have expected them to riot. True that moron deserved a response for being an idiot, but a violent one? c'mon, that's absurd. Should Tea Partiers be given carte blache to rough up the counter protesters who hurl insult at them? That's crazy.

On the other tip...this legislation is BLATANT profiling. No doubt about it. It's a knee jerk reaction to a situation that has gotten out of control and with the Fed unwilling to address it for so many years, states like AZ are finding themselves in a very precarious situation in addressing it. After that racher was murdered by illegals I think public sentiment was that SOMETHING had to be done but they obviously went overboard.

On ANOTHER tip Kaiser... if you'd like to bring up your ever present disdain for offshore oil drilling and Oil companies not giving a shit about the environment....NOW would seem like the appropriate time.

[kaiser soze]

I can't answer as to how the crowd would have acted if the idiot was a different race. It is unfortunate they responded the way they did - some of the protesters did try to calm the crowd. I have a feeling the comment made is probably a common epithet thrown around border towns. We have seen signs at Teaclan Rallies suggesting that Obama came from or should go back to Kenya so this is not a unique expression to this situation.

This is that weird exclusivity some whites apply to this nation - lest they forget their ancestors were once illegal aliens who came and took away the livelihood (and lives) of millions of natives. Have they also forgotten that the Foot of the Statue of Liberty these is a saying. "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." This inspiring principle is hardly held by many....immigration has become a mess rather than a means to build this country.

concerning the oil rig yeah I know, but dead horse and all

[yeahwho]

Also

How is this legislation approaching employers who gladly entice and hire illegals to work for them?

That seems to be the root of the problem.

Yup, this is definitely the root, the stem, and leaves of the problem.

Actually, the root of the problem in the situation of the people, and/or their country, is in that makes them seek job opportunities elsewhere. But I do agree that there should be a tougher crackdown on the employers.

What better way to stop illegal aliens coming here to work than make the penalty for employing one five years in jail and a 100,000 dollar fine. You want to harass Hispanics? Pass a law like this one.

[Bob]

or you could just deport the employers to mexico

[Echewta]

The left and everyone in the media

Arent they the same though?

And since when should the right, center, left, media, or any other broad paintbrush think like a single unit?

[valvano]

actually its pretty funny to see Mexico calling out the Arizona law and the treatment of Mexican citizens caught illegally in Arizon considering how terrible people caught illegally in Mexico are treated:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100429/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_mexico_migrants_1


of course, as typical with most liberal blowhards, all these mayors and governors of "sanctuary" cities and states, very public in their denouncement of Arizona, none of them are stepping up and offering take in all of Arizona's illegal aliens:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/28/sanctuary-cities-fight-arizonas-new-immigration-law-offering-sanctuary/

:rolleyes:

[Echewta]

First time I've actually somewhat liked valvano's point except for the foxnews link. Because I don't believe in fair and balanced.

[yeahwho]

Protest moves to the NBA Playoffs via Los Suns (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2010/0505/Los-Suns-Cinco-de-Mayo-statement-protest-on-a-tank-top)

The Phoenix Suns players decided to wear their Spanish 'Los Suns' jerseys to tonight's Cinco de Mayo playoff game to protest the new Arizona immigration law. It's the latest example of America's often-contradictory views on illegal immigration and the Hispanic community.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

The thing that's funny to me about the Tea Party is they act like they are seriously vicitimized. They aren't victimized, it's just that their party of choice has been out of power for a year and a half. You can't compare that to the institutional racism that minorities deal with on a daily basis.

Similarly, in sociological terms, racism and prejudice are very different terms. Racism has to do with the race in power treating other races differently. It is very important to distiguish WHO HAS THE POWER. Prejudice, on the other hand, is just treating people differently based on their race, regardless of the power dynamics in greater society. When you understand the terms as such, minorities can't be racist because they do not hold power, they can only be prejudiced. This is why it is very different for a white person, who is part of the race holding power, to make racial slurs against a minority. Racial slurs sting a lot more when they're backed up by institutional power. That sting isn't there when a minority makes a racial slur against a white person, or even against another minority group. The difference has everything to do with institutional power, and who holds it.

You know, the tea party can belive what it wants, but its ideologies are still the ruling power in this Country. The people who hold the power are mostly for small government and low taxes (which makes sense because these things helped these people get rich, and will help them stay rich). In 2008 you saw the underdog rise up and get some leverage because Bush was such a horrible president and the economy tanked. But tea partiers are trying to act like they're some sort of minority victim. Fucking whiners. I would love to see some of these tea party assholes deal with a week of being a racial minority. They would cry themselves into oblivion.