Iran tested weapon

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...eut/index.html

I read this in CNN. Discuss?

[ChrisLove]

This nothing to worry about in my opinion. Just maintaining the principles of mutually assured destruction, if Israel raisied the bar then it is inevitable that its enemys will respond. If anything the Iranian attempts to reduce the firepower mismatch reduce the danger of war.

[Tone Capone]

Originally Posted by ChrisLove

This nothing to worry about in my opinion. Just maintaining the principles of mutually assured destruction, if Israel raisied the bar then it is inevitable that its enemys will respond. If anything the Iranian attempts to reduce the firepower mismatch reduce the danger of war.

I'm worried if it really reduces anything. Israel is as crazy and fanatical as any middle eastern territory. And we all know Iran is crazy as well. I think something bad will happen.

[ChrisLove]

Originally Posted by Tone Capone

I'm worried if it really reduces anything. Israel is as crazy and fanatical as any middle eastern territory. And we all know Iran is crazy as well. I think something bad will happen.

Well as long as Israel is the only one with THE BOMB you cn rule out an attack on Israel. You gotta think though, sooner or later.... its just a matter of time before some nutcase gets atomic power and then............

[Lilb]

Originally Posted by Tone Capone

I'm worried if it really reduces anything. Israel is as crazy and fanatical as any middle eastern territory. And we all know Iran is crazy as well. I think something bad will happen.

What do you mean by crazy?

[Tone Capone]

Originally Posted by Lilb

What do you mean by crazy?

Don't you watch the news? Read the paper? Check the internet?

[Lilb]

um yes, so what gives us the right to call other countries crazy if we do the same thing? The U.S. hasn't ever made a bomb?

[Tone Capone]

Originally Posted by Lilb

um yes, so what gives us the right to call other countries crazy if we do the same thing? The U.S. hasn't ever made a bomb?

HA! I knew you were trying to pull me into that. How come instead of something that matters, you people always switch to "well the us has blah blah blah". Not falling for it. Israel=crazy, Iran=crazy. crazy+crazy= bad times.

[Lilb]

Originally Posted by Tone Capone

HA! I knew you were trying to pull me into that. How come instead of something that matters, you people always switch to "well the us has blah blah blah". Not falling for it. Israel=crazy, Iran=crazy. crazy+crazy= bad times.

You people? What is meant by that? Not falling for what? Listen, are you an american citizen? Just because some other countries technology is far better than what ever else is out there doesn't mean they are crazy.... Maybe far more intellegent. I am not an advocate for bombs and violence and stuff like that but.......
America does what they want to do right? and p.s. calling countries crazy is not nice .... remember intolerance is not tolerated here!

[Tone Capone]

Originally Posted by Lilb

You people? What is meant by that? Not falling for what? Listen, are you an american citizen? Just because some other countries technology is far better than what ever else is out there doesn't mean they are crazy.... Maybe far more intellegent. I am not an advocate for bombs and violence and stuff like that but.......
America does what they want to do right? and p.s. calling countries crazy is not nice .... remember intolerance is not tolerated here!

Well, I guess you'll keep rationalizing when they start blowing up the world. Either that or you'll side with whatever is cool to you types.

[Lilb]

Aww come on....you think America will let anyone blow up the world? We wouldn't want anyone to do that now would we? Or at least let anyone beat us to it....(lol) and anyhow...what do you mean by "you types" you don't know what type of person I am so you can just skip "that" generalization. It's all in fun my dear boy.....losen up a little the world is not gonna blow up anytime soon and if bombs do start going up in the air....dear god I hope I am on the right side.....the smart side! ( um whichever that is)

[Tone Capone]

Originally Posted by Lilb

Aww come on....you think America will let anyone blow up the world? We wouldn't want anyone to do that now would we? Or at least let anyone beat us to it....(lol) and anyhow...what do you mean by "you types" you don't know what type of person I am so you can just skip "that" generalization. It's all in fun my dear boy.....losen up a little the world is not gonna blow up anytime soon and if bombs do start going up in the air....dear god I hope I am on the right side.....the smart side! ( um whichever that is)

Sorry for generalizing... as you can see I'm not very good at expressing my views

[Señor Stino]

in fact, there are already reasons to believe Iran has atomic power, ..
but to expect the end of the world out of that Capone seems a bit to pessimistic.
stop worrying and start to love the bomb

[100% ILL]

Originally Posted by rhythm fiction

Russia also tested an ICBM, supposedly to check it's service life, they have also said they have tested a "space vehicle" which would avoid a missle defence system.

http://www.smh.com.au/text/articles/...102532146.html

We will be back in the Cold War shortly....

I agree, Russia never realy stopped the arms race. In my opinion they're just being quieter about it. Also the U.S.S.R went through some political and social turmoil, not to mention the economic problems they had. But it would be presumptious to assume that they do not have "old school" socialists still active in their military and political leadership who have a bad taste in their mouth about the Regan administration's Glastnost.

[Echewta]

If the "most powerful country" in the world said that my country was in the axis of evil and then attacked one of those countries that just happened to be nextstore and helped that attacked country 2 decades earlier by supporting the attack of me as well as a decade before that installing a puppet Shaw in my country, well, I to might want to have a nuke to protect myself and keep the "most powerful country" in the world out of my business for once.

[Jasonik]

Is it plausable that one of the unspoken motives for going to Iraq was to 'keep an eye on Iran?' I guess I'm optimistic we're always one step ahead of our enemies....(I mean enemies of FREEDOM )

[ChrisLove]

Originally Posted by Señor Stino

in fact, there are already reasons to believe Iran has atomic power, ..
but to expect the end of the world out of that Capone seems a bit to pessimistic.
stop worrying and start to love the bomb

Is there any credible evidence that Iran is a nuclear power - surely the whole point of having such power is to make sure everyone knows about it - If you have seen Dr. Strangelove you know there is no point in having a secret super weapon for defence.

[Lilb]

I just love how the U.S. always turns and diverts it's attention to Iran. Like there isn't anything else going on in the world. Although they may posses atomic this and deadly that I think that the news media always turns to Iran as a scapegoat of sorts. And that is right what about Russia or who knows what is going on in North Korea
Even though Iran may have done "evil" deeds in the past we always seem to look at the bad. Doesn't anyone remember the history of Iran before the cultural revolution? Or does the U.S. just start off with all the bad history of countries?
Word...

[Señor Stino]

Originally Posted by 100% ILL

I agree, Russia never realy stopped the arms race. In my opinion they're just being quieter about it. Also the U.S.S.R went through some political and social turmoil, not to mention the economic problems they had. But it would be presumptious to assume that they do not have "old school" socialists still active in their military and political leadership who have a bad taste in their mouth about the Regan administration's Glastnost.

the REAGAN adm"s Glasnost ??, and perestroika aswell I suppose
stop thinking of reagan as "the man who beat communism", please

but yeah, so what are you saying here, Russia is still making weapons?, yes ofcourse, they do still have the highest number of nuclear warheads, this makes them "evil" or what?

us promised (in 97) to destroy its stockpile of chemical weapons by 2003, but they were unable to meet the deadline

now i will go search were the h*ll I've read about the nuke(s) Iran has.

[Lilb]

It all goes back to what country isn't making weapons?

[100% ILL]

Originally Posted by Señor Stino

the REAGAN adm"s Glasnost ??, and perestroika aswell I suppose
stop thinking of reagan as "the man who beat communism", please

but yeah, so what are you saying here, Russia is still making weapons?, yes ofcourse, they do still have the highest number of nuclear warheads, this makes them "evil" or what?

us promised (in 97) to destroy its stockpile of chemical weapons by 2003, but they were unable to meet the deadline

now i will go search were the h*ll I've read about the nuke(s) Iran has.

The comments were in reference to Rhytmn Fiction's post about the cold war. The general perception is that Reagan is the man who ended the Cold War and defeated communism, thereby implying that perhaps the Russians may still hold some anamosity. As to their evil quotent, I have no idea.
That being said I don't see how you could not agree that Reagan was very influential in bringing about an end to the Cold War. Communism, at least in Russia collapsed under it's own weght.

[Ace42]

Originally Posted by 100% ILL

Communism, at least in Russia collapsed under it's own weght.

It collapsed due to complicated reasons. The most obvious one being a rebellion by the nation's military commanders who espoused regressive Stalinist politics and were frustrated by Gorbachev's progressive socialist agenda. Yeltzin manipulated the situation to his own ends, and defused it, but guaranteed the end of the USSR.

Gorbachev was the man. Propz out to the guy with bird-shit birthmark on his bonce.

[100% ILL]

Originally Posted by Ace42

It collapsed due to complicated reasons. The most obvious one being a rebellion by the nation's military commanders who espoused regressive Stalinist politics and were frustrated by Gorbachev's progressive socialist agenda. Yeltzin manipulated the situation to his own ends, and defused it, but guaranteed the end of the USSR.

Gorbachev was the man. Propz out to the guy with bird-shit birthmark on his bonce.

Lol The birthmark

My statement was an attempt to simplify an otherwise complicated explanation.

[Señor Stino]

Ace42 is more right in his communism-collapse theory I guess.

I justed wanted to point out to you, 100% ill, that you named it "reagan's glasnost", a terrible error, and for me he will not be the man who beat communism, that will always be Gorbatsjev, Reagan just pointed out that the Russians couldn't keep up with his extra military expenses.

[100% ILL]

So sorry for the terrible error

[Echewta]

Originally Posted by Jasonik

Is it plausable that one of the unspoken motives for going to Iraq was to 'keep an eye on Iran?' I guess I'm optimistic we're always one step ahead of our enemies....(I mean enemies of FREEDOM )

Is that unspoken motive only allowed for us or can other countries have an unspoken movite as well? Now that we live in the country next to Iran, how are we able to see things differently? Are we better able to attack Iran now than before? Preemptive for false reasons (lied, didn't lie, bad intel, policitcal reasons, congress said ok, etc.) makes you optimistic about our government motives and steps ahead?

[Tone Capone]

It's pretty much a sure bet that we'll be having to take care of Iran sooner than later.

[ChrisLove]

Originally Posted by Tone Capone

It's pretty much a sure bet that we'll be having to take care of Iran sooner than later.

Do you mean 'take care' as in increase foreign aid, trading, support Iranian interests in the US with grants and stuff?

Or do you 'take care' in the Bond Villian sense of the phrase?

[Lilb]

I think that the U.S. should worry about taking care of the U.S.

[Ace42]

Originally Posted by Lilb

I think that the U.S. should worry about taking care of the U.S.

Patriot Act