Spiritual Advisors

D_Raay · #1 11-23-2004, 05:46 PM

I don't undertsand these people who call themselves spiritual advisors.
Franklin Graham, the unfortunate son of Billy Graham, is George Bush's spiritual advisor. Bill Clinton had Jesse Jackson.

Here's the part I don't understand: How can someone else advise you on your own spirit? Isn't spirit an intensely personal, internal thing? Doesn't it, by it's very nature, elude definition, much less analysis? What kind of advice could some drone who has devoted his life to the self-deception of religion possibly give you about your spirit?

racer5.0stang · #2 11-24-2004, 09:52 AM

1 John 1:5-10
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

yeahwho · #3 11-24-2004, 10:01 PM

You know racer5.0stang, you are so incredibly boring. Do you think if you copy and paste Bible Quotes you are blowing us away? That it bugs us or something. All you are doing is ignoring the topic in every post you've made. Even in one so aptly named " Spiritual Advisors."

Whenever you decide to pull your predictable head out of your ass and have a conversation about something other than hide behind the Bible (twas not intended for your purpose, actions not words, grab the hoe and go) then maybe you will start to become spiritual. As is, for me and I'm sure many others who have read the Bible, you are comic relief in your surefire response to everything here on the BBBB.

racer5.0stang · #4 11-24-2004, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by yeahwho

You know racer5.0stang, you are so incredibly boring. Do you think if you copy and paste Bible Quotes you are blowing us away? That it bugs us or something. All you are doing is ignoring the topic in every post you've made. Even in one so aptly named " Spiritual Advisors."

Whenever you decide to pull your predictable head out of your ass and have a conversation about something other than hide behind the Bible (twas not intended for your purpose, actions not words, grab the hoe and go) then maybe you will start to become spiritual. As is, for me and I'm sure many others who have read the Bible, you are comic relief in your surefire response to everything here on the BBBB.

I would like to know your interpretation of what you read in the bible is?

In reality, I have posted verses that go along with the threads and other posts, although you may not be able to grasp the concept of what the
post(s) are in reference to.

yeahwho · #5 11-24-2004, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by racer5.0stang

I would like to know your interpretation of what you read in the bible is?

For what it's worth, I am not trying to be spiritual in a political forum. Bush is pretending to be spiritual in a political position, it is like this, Faith without works is dead, your spirit will attract more followers than your preaching.

racer5.0stang · #6 11-24-2004, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yeahwho

For what it's worth, I am not trying to be spiritual in a political forum. Bush is pretending to be spiritual in a political position, it is like this, Faith without works is dead, your spirit will attract more followers than your preaching.

To my knowledge I have not preached at or to anyone. I have merely posted some scripture on here trying to open your eyes.

Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

This country was founded by bible believing Christians, so I don't know how you can say that you can not be spiritual and political. This country and this world has gone away from God and towards the lusts of man.

Our principles, morals, and beliefs are what drives the discisions that we make everyday, no matter how great or small.

Rosie Cotton · #7 11-24-2004, 11:32 PM

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To my knowledge I have not preached at or to anyone. I have merely posted some scripture on here trying to open your eyes.

Hahaha! That's funny!

racer5.0stang · #8 11-24-2004, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rosie Cotton

Hahaha! That's funny!

I am glad you think so.

Rosie Cotton · #9 11-24-2004, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by racer5.0stang

I am glad you think so.

Okay...

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To my knowledge I have not preached at or to anyone.

Really? Why don't you go reread all of your previous posts and get back to me. I feel like I've just sat through mass afterwards.

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I have merely posted some scripture on here trying to open your eyes.

Yes, but perhaps there are reasons that non-Christians on this board don't believe in what you do? I'm sure that you genuinely think you are helping, and I appreciate the sentiment, but in actuallity you just make yourself look like an ass.

yeahwho · #10 11-25-2004, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by D_Raay

Here's the part I don't understand: How can someone else advise you on your own spirit? Isn't spirit an intensely personal, internal thing? Doesn't it, by it's very nature, elude definition, much less analysis? What kind of advice could some drone who has devoted his life to the self-deception of religion possibly give you about your spirit?

You have encapsulated everything D_Raay has potrayed in this paragraph. Does it make you happy that your posts make a mockery the intent you so wish to achieve? You remind me of an old lady at the church. A funny old lady at the church. If that is the effect your lookin' for, you've reached success here on the BBBB.

Shotgun Samurai · #11 11-25-2004, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by racer5.0stang

This country was founded by bible believing Christians.

You mean Bible thumping Founding Founders such as John Adams?

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 - signed by President John Adams.)

or are you asserting the likes of Ben Franklin gettin noble with the key?
But wait didn't he say "When a Religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its Professors are obliged to call for help of the Civil Power, it is a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one." - Benjamin Franklin (from a letter to Richard Price, October 9, 1780

. So that takes him out of the loop

perhaps you mean the father of the Constitution-Mr. James Madison himself...No, couldn't be him since he's quoted with saying "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

I believe you need to go back and brush up on your Separation of Church and State history. If the Founding Fathers would have wanted a theocractic form of Gov't I trust they would have instilled just that.

Another piece of advice I'll give you for free is that you'd be a better witness for your message if you led by example instead of your sanctimonious tactical approach of "Sinners in the Hands of an angry God". Next, I suppose you'll be endorsing a scarlet letter for unwed mothers

#12 11-25-2004, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by racer5.0stang

To my knowledge I have not preached at or to anyone. I have merely posted some scripture on here trying to open your eyes.

"racer5.0stang", Lemme guess. You're 30ish. You had a spiritual rebirth after findin and partaking of the coke you bought off Zeke in your closet of shoulder cut off plaid shirts. Didn't you have an alias, PBR2004?

racer5.0stang · #13 11-25-2004, 04:22 PM

I guess the first President will have to do.

First Thanksgiving Proclamation
by: President George Washington, October 3,1789

WHEREAS it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly implore His protection and favor, and
WHEREAS both Houses of Congress have by their joint committee requested me to recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially a form of government for their safety and happiness.
NOW THEREFORE, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th of November next to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being Who is the beneficent Author of all the good that was, or that will be... that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation... And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and subblications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations, and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions... to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a government of wise, just and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed... (and) to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among us... Given under my hand at the City of New York the third day of October in the year of our Lord 1789.

racer5.0stang · #14 11-25-2004, 04:29 PM

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"racer5.0stang", Lemme guess. You're 30ish. You had a spiritual rebirth after findin and partaking of the coke you bought off Zeke in your closet of shoulder cut off plaid shirts. Didn't you have an alias, PBR2004?

My age is irrelevant. I am a born again Christian.

John 3:2,3
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Cashew · #15 11-25-2004, 08:05 PM

They tell you what to do based on a 2000 year old book that has done nothing but start wars, and hold down the rights miniorities and women and did I mention genocide?

Why people haven't opened their eyes to this evil yet is beyond me.

Cashew · #16 11-25-2004, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by racer5.0stang

My age is irrelevant. I am a born again Christian.

John 3:2,3
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Born again... yeah you are part of the problem, I bet you voted for the basterd didn't you?

Christianization of the Republican Party: In Their Own Words

Christianization of the Republican Party, an article from the The Christian Statesman, claims,

Once dismissed as a small regional movement, Christian conservatives have become a staple of politics nearly everywhere. Christian conservatives now hold a majority of seats in 36% of all Republican Party state committees (or 18 of 50 states), plus large minorities in 81% of the rest, double their strength from a decade before.

The twin surges of Christians into GOP ranks in the early 1980s and early 1990s have begun to bear fruit, as naive, idealistic recruits have transformed into savvy operatives and leaders, building organizations, winning leadership positions, fighting onto platform committees, and electing many of their own to public office.

The Christian Statesman is a publication of the National Reform Association. Who is the National Reform Association?

The mission of the National Reform Association is to maintain and promote in our national life the Christian principles of civil government, which include, but are not limited to, the following:

Jesus Christ is Lord in all aspects of life, including civil government.

Jesus Christ is, therefore, the Ruler of Nations, and should be explicitly confessed as such in any constitutional documents. The civil ruler is to be a servant of God, he derives his authority from God and he is duty-bound to govern according to the expressed will of God.

The civil government of our nation, its laws, institutions, and practices must therefore be conformed to the principles of Biblical law as revealed in the Old and New Testaments.

The terms "Christian Conservative" are misnomers. Many Christian leaders believe the dominionist movement is an aberration of Christianity. And the movement is anything but conservative. One can see from the record budget deficit that dominionists care more about winning votes and staying in power than managing the budget responsibly. And dominionists seek radical change.

George Grant, was Executive Director of Coral Ridge Ministries for many years and is a dominionist author and educator. He wrote in The Changing of the Guard, Biblical Principles for Political Action:

Christians have an obligation, a mandate, a commission, a holy responsibility to reclaim the land for Jesus Christ -- to have dominion in civil structures, just as in every other aspect of life and godliness.

But it is dominion we are after. Not just a voice.

It is dominion we are after. Not just influence.

It is dominion we are after. Not just equal time.

It is dominion we are after.

World conquest. That's what Christ has commissioned us to accomplish. We must win the world with the power of the Gospel. And we must never settle for anything less... Thus, Christian politics has as its primary intent the conquest of the land -- of men, families, institutions, bureaucracies, courts, and governments for the Kingdom of Christ. (pp. 50-51)

How did this happen?

Voter apathy is the key to the phenomenal ascent of dominionism in the U.S. government.

With the apathy that exists today, a small, well-organized minority can influence the selection of candidates to an astonishing degree.

Pat Robertson wrote those words in The Millennium, 1990, and it has been a key organizing principle of the Religious Right ever since.

Pat Robertson tells us who makes up that "well-organized minority." It includes only Christians who share his point of view. As he said on his television program, the 700 Club: "You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists, and this and that and the other thing. Nonsense! I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist." (Pat Robertson, the Most Dangerous Man in America?, 149, Rob Boston),

"The apathy of other Americans can become a blessing and advantage to Christians," wrote Mark Beliles and Stephen McDowell in 1989, in America's Providential History a popular textbook for Christian schools and the Christian homeschool movement.

If just 10% of all Christians in America today woke up and realized how easy it is, got involved consistently for the long haul, it would not take long to reform America completely.

For the authors, the term "Christian" refers to a very narrow group of people. The word "reform" is key. It means reforming the United Sates so that it becomes a "Christian" nation, or theocracy.
(www.theocracywatch.org)

Frightening isn't it

racer5.0stang · #17 11-25-2004, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cashew

They tell you what to do based on a 2000 year old book that has done nothing but start wars, and hold down the rights miniorities and women and did I mention genocide?

Why people haven't opened their eyes to this evil yet is beyond me.

Wars have been started for less reasons than religion.

People have failed to open their eyes to alot of evil.

So Hitler based his belief(s) on the bible, by killing Jews, God's chosen people?

Ace42 · #18 11-25-2004, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by racer5.0stang

So Hitler based his belief(s) on the bible, by killing Jews, God's chosen people?

So you want to convert to Judaism?

Cashew · #19 11-25-2004, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by racer5.0stang

Wars have been started for less reasons than religion.

People have failed to open their eyes to alot of evil.

So Hitler based his belief(s) on the bible, by killing Jews, God's chosen people?

Yes he did.

"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator."
(Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 46)

You need to do your homework hombre. Religion and government are like gasoline and rubber, they don't mix, unless you force them together, then they create a sticky flamable substance that burns and destroys everything it touches.

Oh yeah, now there is an proverb for you!

I recommend

www.au.org
www.theboywhocriediraq.com
www.fpif.org
www.theocracywatch.org

Funkaloyd · #20 11-26-2004, 02:36 AM

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I guess the first President will have to do.

http://www.deism.com/washington.htm

59 Chrystie St. · #21 11-26-2004, 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by racer5.0stang

1 John 1:5-10
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

When you die and go to heaven are you going to be floating around on a cloud playing a harp, with wings on your back like in the Tom & Jerry cartoons. Just wondering what you thought. The cookier the better, surprise me...come up with some neo-con born again flavor. And by the way when ever you refer to Him or His, use capital letters or you'll burn in Hell, my spiritual adviser informed me of that.

Cashew · #22 11-26-2004, 11:28 AM

You know why people have religion? I can tell you.

We were once nomadic, never had time for much thinking, or much praying for that matter, so we wandered around following the heards, feeding, fucking, living, and life was simple and good, and short. Then a group of nomads came across the region know as the fertile cresent (modern day Iraq) and found out that there was no reason to fillow the heards here because they could sit back and plant crops. Eventually they domesticated animals, and life was good, but still short.

Well with the domestication of animals, and the crops growning, man had time for thinking, something he had never had time for before. He came up with numbers, currency, natural logic, all sorts of fun primitive crap like that!

But then man thought to far, into a realm he could not explain. His life was short, but he liked his life, he wanted it to go on forever. The sun went up and down, but he could not understand why. The crops grew, the rain fell, lightning clashed, his son died of a cough, and he did not know why. He was afriad.

What's the best cure for fear? Something that will make you feel safe and secure, like "Duck and Cover" in the 60's. So primitive man began to thank the plants, thank the sun, thank the sky, for all it has done for them, PRAYED to them. They thought this would appease whatever controlled these forces. Soon they came up with systems of worship, which promised eternal hapiness for those who prayed the hardest, now a short life was not a curse! You could live forever as long as you gave your life to your lord or lords.

Well soon became disenchanted with these natural gods, they had betrayed them with draughts and famine. They stopped praying. By this time there were religious leaders, these leaders were very powerful, and they liked being in power, so they came up with a new concept... enternal damnation for those who don't accept the gods and pray! Yes that was the way! Fear to bring them together! Fear to keep them inline!

It has been done that way ever since.

afronaut · #23 11-26-2004, 11:36 AM

racer, no offense, but people like you are the reason no one has any respect for the christian faith, or any religion. You're killing your own faith. I blame you for me being an atheist. You turn more people permenantly away from christianity than you "save them".

But I thank you, if people like you keep on doing their thing like you do, christianity should be completely absolete in 50 years or so. Thank you for doing your part in liberating the world from the clutches of Christianity.

racer5.0stang · #24 11-27-2004, 03:03 PM

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Well soon became disenchanted with these natural gods, they had betrayed them with draughts and famine. They stopped praying. By this time there were religious leaders, these leaders were very powerful, and they liked being in power, so they came up with a new concept... enternal damnation for those who don't accept the gods and pray! Yes that was the way! Fear to bring them together! Fear to keep them inline!

It has been done that way ever since.

I think you just described the Roman Catholic Church

ASsman · #25 11-27-2004, 03:14 PM

I think you just sinned.

Abdul-Karim · #26 11-27-2004, 03:15 PM

I hate people who try to mix religion with politics. It's like water and oil. Spiritual advisor is also an oxymoron.

Jesse "Hymietown" Jackson? Or no, better yet Jesse "Hypocrite" Jackson?

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At the very moment he was providing pastoral counseling to the White House's resident adulterer, he was carrying on an extramarital affair of his own, with a subordinate who later gave birth to his [illegitimate] child.