Rick Rubin Wanted Mike D booted?

[canucklehead200]

out of the beastie boys??? I just heard this statement... details of this story would be much appreciated!

[laurie_hammy]

I saw Rick Rubin on this Beastie interview iv got on vid. Was he a bikey or a producer ? haha His beard is crazy.

[cj hood]

rush and rick thought he was expendible........but 'rick and rush ended up being the expendable motherfuckers'.....

[FrankieDJ]

Originally Posted by canucklehead200

out of the beastie boys??? I just heard this statement... details of this story would be much appreciated!

I WOULDN'T BELIEVE THAT, RICK AND MIKE ARE STILL COOL, THEY APPEARED TOGETHER RECENTLY ON JAY-Z'S NEW DVD FADE TO BLACK WHEN JAY WAS RECORDING 99 PROBLEMS!

[milky cereal]

This was true. Mike D was thought of as he uncool geek of the beastie.

[Darko]

Rick Rubin shot Jay-Z. But they're friends now.

[Documad]

Originally Posted by cj hood

rush and rick thought he was expendible........but 'rick and rush ended up being the expendable motherfuckers'.....

I can't remember whether it was Yauch or Adrock, but one of them said this almost word for word in an old Rolling Stone article.

[Thundercracker]

Originally Posted by Darko

Rick Rubin shot Jay-Z. But they're friends now.

ha?!
you mean actually shot him with a gun?

[cj hood]

Originally Posted by Documad

I can't remember whether it was Yauch or Adrock, but one of them said this almost word for word in an old Rolling Stone article.

thats why i used quotes......i know my shit!

[Bobtwi]

Originally Posted by cj hood

rush and rick thought he was expendible........but 'rick and rush ended up being the expendable motherfuckers'.....

You got that from a bboy interview didnt you cj?Sorry CJ I didnt read all the posts before I posted.But quit bitin.Some of the youngsters might not get what biten is but fuck'em.

[Laver1969]

I think I have an article from 89sh about this too. Let me do some diggin'.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I've read at least one article on this as well. This was early in the game, before License to Ill. It just goes to show you that they were trying to market the Beasties at that point. Mike was the one who they didn't think was cool enough. Yauch was the one they thought was the most Beastie-like. Notice how Yauch has the solo record in 85. Also notice how Kate got dissed back then as well. They always dance around the whole Kate thing in the interviews. Def Jam was obviously trying to push a certain image and in the end it lead to the Beasties going to capital.

[Cristin]

I think Mike D is pretty cool....but that's just me.

[cj hood]

Originally Posted by Bobtwi

You got that from a bboy interview didnt you cj?Sorry CJ I didnt read all the posts before I posted.But quit bitin.Some of the youngsters might not get what biten is but fuck'em.

yes.......i got em all on file in my head.....

[Laver1969]

I thought it was in my 89 SPIN mag. This did have a lot of shit about the relationship between the Beasties and Russel...but nothing about booting Mike out.

This is the one that discussed Chuck D working on the mysterious White House Album.

[b-girl74]

Originally Posted by Cristin

I think Mike D is pretty cool....but that's just me.

I agree, He is my fav beastie!

[Chicka B]

Whaa! That makes no sense whatsoever, out of the three back then it seemed like Mike acted the coolest and most mature, didn't he? I would think Adrock was more of the geek back then though. No no, I'm just kidding he's cool. They're all cool. That rick rubin dude makes no sense, if you ask me he was the uncool one.

[cj hood]

Originally Posted by Laver1969

I thought it was in my 89 SPIN mag. This did have a lot of shit about the relationship between the Beasties and Russel...but nothing about booting Mike out.

This is the one that discussed Chuck D working on the mysterious White House Album.

i think it was 92 spin.....they're on the cover.....adrock has a yellow snow hat on......inside there's a pic of them in front of g*son.......they also diss bob mack in the article to....

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Its because Mike kept wasting all the whippets.

[jordanTXHC]

Originally Posted by FrankieDJ

I WOULDN'T BELIEVE THAT, RICK AND MIKE ARE STILL COOL, THEY APPEARED TOGETHER RECENTLY ON JAY-Z'S NEW DVD FADE TO BLACK WHEN JAY WAS RECORDING 99 PROBLEMS!

they've always had problems with rick. Yauch wanted to quit in '87 after the License To Ill tour. rick dicked them out of a lot of money back them and got shafted by their original contract with def jam. thats one of the major factors to Yauch forming Brooklyn with Darryl Jennifer. they were tired of all the bullshit. but simmons put the pressure on them to get back in the studio with rubin. all of them were hesitant cause they didnt get along with him. mind you, this took place awhile back. who knows, they might all be buddies now....

[Kid Presentable]

This might be why Mike has the fewest lines on LTI.

[Laver1969]

Originally Posted by cj hood

i think it was 92 spin.....they're on the cover.....adrock has a yellow snow hat on......inside there's a pic of them in front of g*son.......they also diss bob mack in the article to....

The May 1992 Spin has them on the cover. But Horovitz has a black ski cap on.

Here's the part about "booting Mike D."

"After all these years, they still can't help saying his name--"Mike D!"--with the utmost glee. The others helped create the look of a white kid pimp wearing a Volkswagen hood ornament. But when Rick Rubin suggested that they could do without Mike D, that was the beginning of the end. For Rubin. Mike D. is certainly in charge of his own shit nowadays."

[Documad]

This whole thing is a quote from Rolling Stone Aug. 11, 1994 (with the cover where they're all distorted like in a fun house mirror):

Legend has it that the group's split with Rubin had more than a little to do with the fact that Rubin viewed Diamond's musical and business senses as replaceable. "There was a point where Rick probably didn't want me in because I deal with the business side," says Diamond. "Ultimately there was going to be a source of conflict there."

Horovitz is less diplomatic. "Rick thinks he knows what's best for everybody," says Horovitz. "Rick was the expendable motherfucker."

[Sir SkratchaLot]

There's even earlier stuff then that about Def Jam wanting to ditch mike. Some of it might be in that "in their own words" book. I've read so much shit over the past 15 years its hard to remember where I read it.

[cj hood]

this rumour's been around since the 80s......

[midzi]

It is also mentioned in 1998 Spin, here is the relevant page

http://img206.echo.cx/img206/8691/spin9877ps.jpg


the scans from this issue are here

[jordanTXHC]

go read American Hardcore. its in there too, but more specific than any media-based articles in some rock magazine.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Haha, I forgot about that Apollo show. "All you niggers, wave your hands in the air!".

Not cool, Adam

[cj hood]

Originally Posted by Sir SkratchaLot

Haha, I forgot about that Apollo show. "All you niggers, wave your hands in the air!".

Not cool, Adam

that's why he probably wasn't there when they hosted 'live at the apollo' a year later......it was just mike, yauch and hurra...

[enree erzweglle]

Horovitz makes me laugh. In interviews--like in the recent Fuse one--he'll often sit there, sometimes seeming to be of two minds about being there but if you watch him, you'll see that he's listening and that he puts out these expressions that punctuate what the other two have to say. And every now and then he'll throw in a perfectly delivered, deadpan zing.

It's one thing to read their interviews but it's an added bonus to see them happening.