New Orleans vs. 9/11

[hummalumma]

Let's say that the number of victims are the same, around 4000.

Considering that all these people are Americans, why isn't there the same quick response by the US government and it's citizens?

Is it because it wasn't an act of terrorism?

Is it because the images in new Orleans are mostly black people in despair?


Do we value some people over other people?

Does it matter how an American dies to affect others to give?

[Lemmy's Liver]

Originally Posted by hummalumma

Is it because the images in new Orleans are mostly black people in despair?

I've been thinking about the same thing.

the people dying seem not to be VIP to say the least.

Ray Nagin says it all - people have no clue at all what's happening.

but if your thread is serious, I say a US city drowning in shitwater is small potatoes compared to 9/11. can't wage a war on mother nature. too bad for your Führer.

9/11 changed the world much like 8/6/1945 did. what's happening in New Orleans now is probably not going to change much of anything. except the life of locals of course. and their views with how your country works when the shit hits the fan.

[Laver1969]

Originally Posted by Lemmy's Liver

what's happening in New Orleans now is probably not going to change much of anything. except the life of locals of course. and their views with how your country works when the shit hits the fan.

I hope your wrong here. Maybe it won't change anything where you are...but I sure hope we learn a big lesson on how to handle a natural disaster.

We should have been better prepared. And the rescue and relief efforts should have been there quicker.

[Happyrunr]

We were not prepared- too much water- not enough gas- it's very unfortunate.
By the way, I have a feeling the death toll will be more than double the 4000 you're estimating. I think this will end up being much more devistating- it's already estimated to cost way more than 9/11 did.
Why it took the govnt so long to get there is a huge question in my mind. It's just horrible.

[DemonicAngel444]

I feel so sorry for those people! And now the gas prices are so high! I hope it is because the hurricane relief though and not just a lie... but I don' know much about it.... my government techer wants me to find out whats going on in Poland instead of my own county. I want to know about here not Poland! No offense to Poland of coarse....

[QueenAdrock]

Two preventable disasters under Bush's watch. And all around September of the first year of his new term.

Only this time, he can't blame all of our environmental problems and unpreparedness on Clinton.

[yeahwho]

New Orleans can happen to any major city, we are unprepared and the DHS proved it. trillions of dollars to watch people float dead by looters and hospitals w/o generators 5 days after a storm all knew was coming up to a week in advance.

We're Fucked. Bush

[QueenAdrock]

Beautiful link.

[DroppinScience]

Originally Posted by QueenAdrock

Two preventable disasters under Bush's watch. And all around September of the first year of his new term.

Only this time, he can't blame all of our environmental problems and unpreparedness on Clinton.

Well, the hurricane was NOT preventable (unless you have access to that weather changing device that Sean Connery had in "The Avengers" ) . The way it was handled certainly was.

[QueenAdrock]

I consider the preventable disaster not the physical impact on the city, but the people dying, which could have been prevented if we had our shit together and had better routes and transportation out of the city, as well as better informing of the citizens.

The death toll could have been prevented, and it wasn't. It's such a tragedy.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by QueenAdrock

Beautiful link.

This is from yesterday, a racist disaster by some media standards too.

[YoungRemy]

Originally Posted by yeahwho

This is from yesterday, a racist disaster by some media standards too.

AP reported one, AFP reported the other(A French Agency).
stop it with the conspiracy theories.

[QueenAdrock]

Has anyone seen Chappelle's Show where they reversed the punishments for whites and blacks? There was a white man who was treated like shit by the police for stealing millions of dollors of corporate money from the inside, and then there was a black man who was treated like a king for selling rocks in the ghetto.

One, two, three, four....fiiiiiiiiiif!

[zorra_chiflada]

Originally Posted by QueenAdrock

Has anyone seen Chappelle's Show where they reversed the punishments for whites and blacks? There was a white man who was treated like shit by the police for stealing millions of dollors of corporate money from the inside, and then there was a black man who was treated like a king for selling rocks in the ghetto.

One, two, three, four....fiiiiiiiiiif!

"da fif"

[surfchick]

If I were there, in New Orleans, I would hope to be arressted under Bush's proposed no tolerance policy by looters for breaking into a store and stealing milk to feed my baby, however, of course, and I am sure Bush thought of this, since there probably isn't a jail house left anywhere near there to put the criminals in for breaking and entering to meet the most basic needs of life, I guess they'd just have to shoot me.

I have a no tolerance policy to propose (and Bush loves no tolerance policies): I have no tolerance for every word that comes out the side of his mouth.

[QueenAdrock]

Nice first post.

[Newtral77]

My question is this. We are always the first country to send aid to countries and people victimized by terrible tragedies such as this. Why is it that I don't see any resources from our supposed allies being sent help us when we have a disaster of our own.

I don't see any french helicopter teams arriving overnight to pull people out of rivers that used to be streets. I have yet to see a russian plane drop supplies to a family living on it's roof. And I haven't seen any german naval ships off the coast of Louisianna.

My point is it seems to me that the country that gives the most to help people around the world, has the world turn it's back on it in it's time of need.

[cookiepuss]

^don't you get it, the rest of the world hates us?

[zorra_chiflada]

Originally Posted by Newtral77

My question is this. We are always the first country to send aid to countries and people victimized by terrible tragedies such as this. Why is it that I don't see any resources from our supposed allies being sent help us when we have a disaster of our own.

I don't see any french helicopter teams arriving overnight to pull people out of rivers that used to be streets. I have yet to see a russian plane drop supplies to a family living on it's roof. And I haven't seen any german naval ships off the coast of Louisianna.

My point is it seems to me that the country that gives the most to help people around the world, has the world turn it's back on it in it's time of need.

look at your leader. look at your government. look at the things that the US has done to other countries. that may be a simple answer to a serious question, but it's possibly a basis to explaining the rest of the world's attitude towards the US.

[Medellia]

Originally Posted by Newtral77

My question is this. We are always the first country to send aid to countries and people victimized by terrible tragedies such as this. Why is it that I don't see any resources from our supposed allies being sent help us when we have a disaster of our own.

I don't see any french helicopter teams arriving overnight to pull people out of rivers that used to be streets. I have yet to see a russian plane drop supplies to a family living on it's roof. And I haven't seen any german naval ships off the coast of Louisianna.

My point is it seems to me that the country that gives the most to help people around the world, has the world turn it's back on it in it's time of need.

They HAVE offered help. Even Venezuela. You know, the country who's "Communist dictator" Pat Robertson said should be assassinated.

[zorra_chiflada]

Originally Posted by Medellia

They HAVE offered help. Even Venezuela. You know, the country who's "Communist dictator" Pat Robertson said should be assassinated.

yep. i understand cuba have offered aid as well.

accusing the world of "turning it's back" on the US is ridiculous, when you see the leader has turned his back on his own country

[Newtral77]

thats a cop out. the rest of the world has it's hands out to us when they get into trouble (see example france) but turn their backs when we need a hand. no matter the politics, the charity we show to the rest of the world constantly goes on, while those other countries with the resources to help in some way are noticably absent when we get knocked down...

[BionicEye]

Originally Posted by cookiepuss

^don't you get it, the rest of the world hates us?

FUCK ALL OF YOU

You are sorely wrong.

[YoungRemy]

cuba just offered 110 doctors, where were you?

[Newtral77]

the title of the linked story says it all.

Foreign governments line up to help after Katrina

when the tsunami hit america didn't "line up." we had Aircraft Carrier FLEETS off the coast in a day.

My point is this, the response from these countries seems markedly less enthusiastic and urgent than ours does when similar disasters hit.

[YoungRemy]

so you registered on a beastie boys messageboard to make this point?

[Newtral77]

Originally Posted by cookiepuss

^don't you get it, the rest of the world hates us?

Ya why don't you ask the people of india and the philipines how much we suck.

[Newtral77]

no I registered because I feel that a lot of what I read here is one sided. why is my opinion not as worthy as yours?

[zorra_chiflada]

Originally Posted by Newtral77

the title of the linked story says it all.

Foreign governments line up to help after Katrina

when the tsunami hit america didn't "line up." we had Aircraft Carrier FLEETS off the coast in a day.

My point is this, the response from these countries seems markedly less enthusiastic and urgent than ours does when similar disasters hit.

i'm sorry, i really don't get what you're saying.
the US is getting aid, but you're annoyed that it's not being delivered "enthusiastically" enough?
way to get off on the right foot on the message board, BTW

[YoungRemy]

because you are an alias