Too Soon

[Documad]

I started to watch the United 93 movie and turned it off less than 10 minutes in. It's not like me, but there you have it.

[Pres Zount]

If it's still too soon, maybe it will never be the right time?

[QueenAdrock]

I watched that movie on the 5 year anniversary, not meaning to. I thought it was good.

9/11 was brought up today at work, actually. It's weird, because a LOT of my co-workers knew people in the Pentagon, if not actually had been in it themselves the day of the crash. I've heard some crazy shit man. One of the most surreal stories I heard was my boss's boyfriend being dragged from one side of the Pentagon to the other, because a TV was located on the opposite side and he was told he "HAD to see what happened in NYC." When he was watching the footage, he felt a huge jolt that rocked him in his seat. The plane had just slammed into the side of the Pentagon where he had been dragged from. What a mindfuck that must have been.

[Documad]

The big events of 9/11 don't bother me. I'm numb. I have seen documentaries about the buildings in NYC etc and I never get choked up, and I sure thought I was ready for this movie, but when it started tonight there was no way I could watch it.

It's the little stories that bother me, and for some reason the thought of individual people on a plane who had time to think about what was happening gets to me more than people in a building who didn't see it coming. hmm.

[ggirlballa]

i remember i was in bed about to get ready for school (3rd grade at the time) & my parents were making a fuss about something about a bomb & a plane on T.V , i didn't believe them so my lazy ass was in bed most of the time then when i got to school my teacher explained it to the class & everybody was all "WOW

i want to see this movie just haven't gotten the chance to

[Laver1969]

I visited the Flight 93 PA crash site last month and it was very emotional. I became very sad.

When I visited the WTC site I got more angry than anything.

[Helvete]

I don't really want to watch United 93 because it's like, you know what's going to happen in the end, it's not a happy ending, America can't save the day this time, everyone dies. And I've seen the replays on TV many thousands of times in the last 5 years, and I think I just want to leave it now.

[avignon]

I have no desire to see this movie. There is no way I could get through it if I tried.

[Laver1969]

Originally Posted by Helvete

I don't really want to watch United 93 because it's like, you know what's going to happen in the end, it's not a happy ending, America can't save the day this time, everyone dies. And I've seen the replays on TV many thousands of times in the last 5 years, and I think I just want to leave it now.

But in a way, they really do save the day. And they save hundreds of additional lives by not letting that plane reach its intended target.

[icy manipulator]

is this about the plane that didn't crash into anything?

[abcdefz]

Well, it crashed into the ground in Pennsylvania.

The movie makes a really nice monument.

[icy manipulator]

thought so. i've seen some really crappy doco's on it. that's all i'll say. ppl have been very offended to my views on september 11

[ericlee]

Originally Posted by icy manipulator

is this about the plane that didn't crash into anything?

It didn't crash into anything but the ground.

I saw the movie and I'm still to the point of thinking whether I like it or not. I just think of the families and in one scene, a guy gets his throat slit and all I can think about was the families watching it and thinking "Oh my, was that my husband?"

It kinda eases me when I watched the bonus features (the interviews with the families) because everyone was calm, smiled and seemed to accept the fate that their loved ones have encountered.

I walk past the WTC memorial everyday that I have to work, as a matter of fact, my last train stop is at the WTC and I still feel very emotional and have to suck in tears.

[icy manipulator]

Originally Posted by ericlee

It didn't crash into anything but the ground.

I saw the movie and I'm still to the point of thinking whether I like it or not. I just think of the families and in one scene, a guy gets his throat slit and all I can think about was the families watching it and thinking "Oh my, was that my husband?"

It kinda eases me when I watched the bonus features (the interviews with the families) because everyone was calm, smiled and seemed to accept the fate that their loved ones have encountered.

I walk past the WTC memorial everyday that I have to work, as a matter of fact, my last train stop is at the WTC and I still feel very emotional and have to suck in tears.

i didn't mean to offend you or anything mang

[ericlee]

Originally Posted by icy manipulator

i didn't mean to offend you or anything mang

Where would you think you was offending me?

Oh, nevermind. I just answered your question and added my story afterwards. It may have seemed like it was a rant to you but it wasn't.

[abcdefz]

Originally Posted by ericlee

It kinda eases me when I watched the bonus features (the interviews with the families) because everyone was calm, smiled and seemed to accept the fate that their loved ones have encountered.

Yep. I mean, I'm not stupid enough to think that they'd put people in the supplements who had an axe to grind against the project, but in the commentary, Greenglass did say that if anyone objected, the film wouldn't have gone forward, period. That'd be a pretty bold claim to make on record if it weren't true.

[icy manipulator]

Originally Posted by ericlee

Where would you think you was offending me?

Oh, nevermind. I just answered your question and added my story afterwards. It may have seemed like it was a rant to you but it wasn't.

sweet. all's good man

it's just that in general i like more non american's on this board. but you are definitely one of the outliers on that bell curve. ppl have been upset at me for saying things like ' who gives a fuck about Katrina compared to the tsunami' or 'who fucking cares about Columbine compared to Beslan '

i just wanted to remain in your good books. you fought for your country and that puts you in the highest respects in my books. same good shout out goes to Lopp and Tone too. i just wish i have the opportunity to the same as you


much respect

[ericlee]

Originally Posted by icy manipulator

sweet. all's good man

it's just that in general i like more non american's on this board. but you are definitely one of the outliers on that bell curve. ppl have been upset at me for saying things like ' who gives a fuck about Katrina compared to the tsunami' or 'who fucking cares about Columbine compared to Beslan '

i just wanted to remain in your good books. you fought for your country and that puts you in the highest respects in my books. same good shout out goes to Lopp and Tone too. i just wish i have the opportunity to the same as you


much respect

Thanks man. Actually, I don't think we're fighting for our country over there. I'm sure everyone knows what the deal is. I went there in a supportive role to all of my friends and to all of people who wanted to make a career out of the military but are now stuck in a heaping pile of shit.

I did go to Kabal a month after the 9/11 attacks and stayed there for 6 months and that was the only time I felt like I was fighting for my country.

[icy manipulator]

Originally Posted by ericlee

Thanks man. Actually, I don't think we're fighting for our country over there. I'm sure everyone knows what the deal is. I went there in a supportive role to all of my friends and to all of people who wanted to make a career out of the military but are now stuck in a heaping pile of shit.

I did go to Kabal a month after the 9/11 attacks and stayed there for 6 months and that was the only time I felt like I was fighting for my country.

it's obvious you had good intentions. that is what impresses me. you're happy with your life, you have wife that you will spend the rest of your life with, you have houses that you've paid off. you have been very lucky with life. i'd switch places with you anyday. i'm only a 21 student who has a gift which will lead me to a life that i will not enjoy. it sucks seeing ppl with half my talent leading infinitly better lives than me.

no one, no one in my family has gone to univeristy. so much pressure has been placed on me succeed in life. the pressure is so great that i'd rather drink my life away than attempt to live up to potential i can achieve

why should i? i have seen ppl with no talent get breaks because of the family they were born into. the world we live in is totally fucked.

i have no connections. i should drink my life away and fry my brain. there's no point.

[Documad]

Originally Posted by ericlee

I walk past the WTC memorial everyday that I have to work, as a matter of fact, my last train stop is at the WTC and I still feel very emotional and have to suck in tears.

I went to the WTC station a couple of times this past October and it didn't bother me. In fact, it made me smile to see that it is a working subway station with loads of working people streaming in and out. I saw the tourists and gawkers too, but even without the buildings there, the busy station is a fuck you to those who thought they could do permanent damage to NYC.

It's when I start to think about the individuals who died that I get messed up. Any time I find out something about a victim (he was someone's dad, she was someone's sister, etc. then I start to put myself in the nightmare and I get upset).

I never get so upset that I forget who was responsible and who wasn't. And nothing bothers me more than politicians who try to use 9/11 to their advantage.

[Documad]

Originally Posted by icy manipulator

no one, no one in my family has gone to univeristy. so much pressure has been placed on me succeed in life. the pressure is so great that i'd rather drink my life away than attempt to live up to potential i can achieve

I don't know how serious you are so forgive me for chiming in.

I went to law school at night while working full time. No lawyers in my family -- not professionals of any kind -- and absolutely no connections. There have been plenty of times when I wished that I could have gone to a better school and gotten better job opportunities straight out of the gate. I have seen quite a few people who had early success because they had the connections (including some children of famous politicians). It was difficult to stomach sometimes. But in the end, people who have talent and who work hard tend to get some of what they deserve. And sometimes you even see those who had connections fall by the wayside. It's not completely fair but it's not that bad in the long run.

[ericlee]

Originally Posted by Documad

I went to the WTC station a couple of times this past October and it didn't bother me. In fact, it made me smile to see that it is a working subway station with loads of working people streaming in and out. I saw the tourists and gawkers too, but even without the buildings there, the busy station is a fuck you to those who thought they could do permanent damage to NYC.

It's when I start to think about the individuals who died that I get messed up. Any time I find out something about a victim (he was someone's dad, she was someone's sister, etc. then I start to put myself in the nightmare and I get upset).

I never get so upset that I forget who was responsible and who wasn't. And nothing bothers me more than politicians who try to use 9/11 to their advantage.

I too love the fact that people still go about their business as normal. Also, if you pay attention to the construction workers there, each individual has an astounding sense of pride while they work. You can feel the unity.

I'm refering to the same thing you are which is I think of the indviduals. Walking by the plaques with the pictures of the kid's drawings that they've made for their missing parents. One in particular gets my spirits up and it says something like, "Dad, nevermind the terrorists. Go Rangers!"

Also, it mainly brings me down because while I was preparing to clear from the army towards the middle of 2002, I had a whole lot of new soldiers come into my unit who just joined only because of 9/11 and they're all in Iraq and I keep in touch with most of them and they feel like their tour is meaningless.

[icy manipulator]

Originally Posted by Documad

I don't know how serious you are so forgive me for chiming in.

I went to law school at night while working full time. No lawyers in my family -- not professionals of any kind -- and absolutely no connections. There have been plenty of times when I wished that I could have gone to a better school and gotten better job opportunities straight out of the gate. I have seen quite a few people who had early success because they had the connections (including some children of famous politicians). It was difficult to stomach sometimes. But in the end, people who have talent and who work hard tend to get some of what they deserve. And sometimes you even see those who had connections fall by the wayside. It's not completely fair but it's not that bad in the long run.

yeah. i do feel the way i mentioned sometimes. and you're right, i've seen some ppl with great connections fail miserably in life. but what gets to me is one of my best friends had connections to get himself into a great job. His grandfather was part owner of an incredibly successful marketing firm so he did marketing at uni, because he knew he had a great advantage if he chose that course. but he's now out of uni and has taken a completely different career path, one that i should be doing, and he's been very successful at it. he got himself into an accelerated management class which only 10 ppl in australia got into. it's just a very big wake up call that he's beyond his connections now and doing very well for himself. i am very happy for him tho, not jealous, because i know he has put in the effort and deserves everything he gets in life.

i just think i need to do more with my life. the pressure my parents put on me is catching up. i am a person that believes in fate tho, so if i do what feels right hopefully i will suceed in life. it's just not looking that way atm

[ericlee]

I was just watching the news and construction workers found some more human remains at the WTC while they were doing some work.

Hopefully they'll be able to identify who's they are and contact the families. I'm not sure if it will make things better but 40% of the people that have lost their loved ones at during 9/11 don't have anything but the knowledge of them being missing.