hillary: it's gotta be over

[saz]

how far do you think she's going to go? all the way to the convention? we know how ambitious and career-driven she is. she may win texas, but who knows. obama is currently in the process of handing her (and bill's) ass to her. ten in a row.

and what's funny is that the clinton's were touting experience, their poise, and just how much all of this matters. but meanwhile, they've been off script so much, issuing rove-like attacks and attack ads, crying, bringing up mlk/lbj etc, and digging a colossal hole for themselves. and bill just doesn't know when to go away. bush sr. knew that after dubya's loss in new hampshire in '00 that he had to disappear.

meanwhile, it is obama who has been exerting poise, he's never lost his cool or had any serious gaffes yet.

do you think bill screwed it up for her? or that obama's dominance was inevitable?

and once she accepts reality, do you really think she'll want to remain a senator? do you think she'd give up her seat to take a cabinet position, or do you think that there's no way she'd take a cabinet post in an obama administration and go back to the senate.

all i know is that the clinton household isn't going to be a pretty place.

[taquitos]

over? perhaps you missed this

[abcdefz]

I can't believe someone has died for Hillary's campaign now.

[Bob]

dallas, huh...

[abcdefz]

Originally Posted by taquitos

over? perhaps you missed this

...guess not too much money was going toward choreography, eh?

What -- Rick Astley was too busy?

[NoFenders]

I am in no way a supporter of Hillary (or Obama), but she certainly made some head way last night. I'd say she'll be picking up speed sooner than you think sazi.

[King PSYZ]

yes, getting booed is some head of steam and when your only ovation comes from a statement basically praising your opponent... well watch out White House...

[NoFenders]

You guys are funny as hell. I was only saying that she did better in the debate Thurs night than Obama. It certainly made a few people I know reconsider. That all.

[Justin]

Any confidence that I had in Hillary ended eruptly when she was caught on camera crying when she was answering questions of undecided voters (i believe in cn)

Im sorry, I dont want my president ever crying and getting emotional in public. It's a sign of weakness and thats only fuel for our enemies.

suck it up woman!

[Bob]

lol

[NoFenders]

Originally Posted by Justin

Any confidence that I had in Hillary ended eruptly when she was caught on camera crying when she was answering questions of undecided voters (i believe in cn)

Im sorry, I dont want my president ever crying and getting emotional in public. It's a sign of weakness and thats only fuel for our enemies.

suck it up woman!

Totally agree.

[abcdefz]

Personally, I think that what our country needs most right now is a real good cry.

[saz]

george w. bush has cried quite a few times during his terms in office.

[abcdefz]

H.W. cries in public when he talks about Jeb's presidential chances being fucked.

He was the one the family expected big things from.

[The Notorious LOL]

Originally Posted by Justin

Any confidence that I had in Hillary ended eruptly when she was caught on camera crying when she was answering questions of undecided voters (i believe in cn)

Im sorry, I dont want my president ever crying and getting emotional in public. It's a sign of weakness and thats only fuel for our enemies.

suck it up woman!

Haha! The best part is you're serious!


Im pretty sure our 'enemies' dont really need any more fuel. Theres enough from the past 50 years to last them at least a few dozen more decades.

[abcdefz]

The fact that Hillary's campaign leaked the Kenya photo is a sign of true desperation.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by abcdefz

The fact that Hillary's campaign leaked the Kenya photo is a sign of true desperation.

Pointing out that Obama is African American? It's sort of bizarre isn't it? My neighbors are from Nigeria and have one of the most solid community volunteering records in the greater Seattle area. They wear traditional Nigerian clothing 90% of the time. I just don't get it. What is the point other than racism or trying to mock Kenyan life? What the fuck is up with that?


I'm baffled by these attempts by the Clinton campaign. I think they are very petty people. She can take her war vote and agenda of entitlement home very soon. Perhaps volunteer as Gore has to move our Country forward.

This stuff is embarassing.

[taquitos]

it that in fact, a fact?

[abcdefz]

Yeah.


"Obama campaign manager David Plouffe immediately accused Clinton's campaign of "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering
we've seen from either party in this election".

Obama's foreign policy adviser, Susan Rice, said the circulation of the photograph was divisive and suggests "that the customs
and cultures of other parts of the world are worthy of ridicule or condemnation".

Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams said the Obama campaign's reaction was inflaming passions and distracting voters.

"Enough," Williams said in a statement.

"If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be
ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.

"This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today
and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry."




...so Clinton's campaign gets to have it both ways, apparently.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by abcdefz

Yeah.


"Obama campaign manager David Plouffe immediately accused Clinton's campaign of "the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering
we've seen from either party in this election".

Obama's foreign policy adviser, Susan Rice, said the circulation of the photograph was divisive and suggests "that the customs
and cultures of other parts of the world are worthy of ridicule or condemnation".

Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams said the Obama campaign's reaction was inflaming passions and distracting voters.

"Enough," Williams said in a statement.

"If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be
ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.

"This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today
and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry."




...so Clinton's campaign gets to have it both ways, apparently.

You know what? I'm ashamed of her and I hope the Black community comes out strong on this attack. It's unacceptable.

[alien autopsy]

i keep hearing about this on the tele. they keep saying that it was an attempt by the clinton campaign to confuse the public into thinking obama is a muslim.

i heard this same quote verbatim on three different occasions by three different people- something to the affect that the clinton campaign is playing on the commonly held belief that obama is a muslim.


FIRST- who cares if he was a muslim. this is most upsetting to me. the idea that people might not vote for someone if they are a muslim is disgusting, although i was not suprised to hear this. not all muslims attack and blow up things. most do not. many muslims are great people with a beautiful culture and history.

SECOND-i was totally unaware that people actually thought he was a muslim, i sure dont know anyone who does.

[yeahwho]

Another problem here is the head dress and outfit has nothing to do with religion, Kenya is predominately Christian (Protestant 45%, Roman Catholic 33%, Muslim 10%, indigenous beliefs 10%, other 2% ) and Hillary Clinton is actually unable to ever lead with this latest major political mistake. What a loser. She should honestly apologize ASAP.

That is so fucked up I'm perplexed. I never took her to be so anti-diversity. She is ruining her own record. Bizarre, either Obama has a mole in her organization or she is completely off the meds. This is 2008, she needs to apologize. Totally repugnant.

[abcdefz]

You might be combining stories.

A few months back, some of her staff admitted to forwarding e-mail rumors claiming that he's Muslim.

So I think, playing on American ignorance, circulating this photo is a way to "remind" us of his "foreign-ness."

I think.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by abcdefz

You might be combining stories.

A few months back, some of her staff admitted to forwarding e-mail rumors claiming that he's Muslim.

So I think, playing on American ignorance, circulating this photo is a way to "remind" us of his "foreign-ness."

I think.

I'm not sure what she's trying to prove. It's bad form. Probably get fired in Washington State as a Senator for trying to discount or mock any style of religious belief and/or lifestyle. Circulating the photo serves what purpose? I like the picture myself. It seems ridiculous. She seems ridiculous. Tonight I'll watch the final scheduled debate between the two only to try and understand why she is on such a bizarre line of attack.

[taquitos]

I still don't see how we know these Clinton staffers circulated the picture.
I'm a fan of Obama, but this seems like a pretty low move to just make assumptions about.

[yeahwho]

My dental floss is all tied in knots for no reason, this is just a Drudge report. He has pretty much established himself as a democrat hater and fact inventor. Clinton campaign denies this and Obama campaign concurs.

Still the photo is more flattering than sweatshop tennis shoes or pantsuits.

Onto bigger and funnier things, ever actually read McCains website? I love his environmental policy ideas.... I haven't the slightest clue what they are but the writing is hilarious. How to say nothing at all and end it up by say this....

By addressing this problem responsibly, John McCain believes we can meet our obligation to be proper caretakers of creation, in a manner of which we can be proud - by protecting our country, strengthening our economy, and addressing the challenges of our time, rather than leaving a much worse problem for our children.

Fuck. What a load.

[NoFenders]

yeahwho, there's really nothing different in that line, than what Obamam says.

[abcdefz]

Originally Posted by yeahwho

My dental floss is all tied in knots for no reason, this is just a Drudge report.

No -- the picture was first sent to Drudge. That's how the Clinton campaign leaked it. The story is in all kinds of legitimate outlets now.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by NoFenders

yeahwho, there's really nothing different in that line, than what Obamam says.

Oh there's a few differences, why don't you start up your McCain for Prez thread and we'll get into it.

He has offered common sense approaches to limit carbon emissions by harnessing market forces that will bring advanced technologies, such as nuclear energy, to the market faster, reduce our dependence on foreign supplies of energy, and see to it that America leads in a way that ensures all nations do their rightful share.

The children will really enjoy that forward thinking.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by abcdefz

No -- the picture was first sent to Drudge. That's how the Clinton campaign leaked it. The story is in all kinds of legitimate outlets now.

You know what bothers me the most is this whole denial by Hillary and her staffers reminds me of something. The Clinton White House kept the media at bay and actually lied to the press (who report to us, citizens/voters) on multiple counts. She has done nothing to deny this other than say the picture is public domain.

Soooooo, I'm just generally upset with her. She is fucked up. Not going to flat out deny nor start to realize closure on the issue. Just use it as a lead in to her policy and campaign theme of experience and strength. Experience and strength in misleading divisive politics. She is really hitting bottom.