Official Lies: Barbara Olsens Flight 77 (pentagon) phonecall

[alien autopsy]

really like david ray griffin, id love to go see him speak.


very interesting to hear what he had to say about barbara olsen's flight 77 phonecall, and her husband, ted olsen former solicitor general of the department of justice (FBI).

Ted reported to CNN on 9-11 that his wife Barbara had cell phoned him which was then used to show that Flight 77 was then broadcasted while flight 77 was stil in the air, on its way to the pentagon. he then said it was one of those backseat phones that she used in the plane. then he changed his story again saying it was a cell phone. and then he changed it once more saying it was a back seat phone and leaving it at that.

A german researcher phoned american airlines and asked about their phone systems on their 757's (plane that reportedly hit the pentagon). he had read on the american airlines webpage that there were no phones on AA 757's. so he called a rep from AA. THERE WERE NO BACKSEAT PHONES ON THAT FLIGHT.

oops, Ted better revert back to his original statement that she used a cell phone.

In 2006, the FBI turned in a report at the moussaui trial on all the phone calls from all 4 flights. when they got to barbara olsen's phone call, it states that she made 1 attempted phone call, it did not get through and it lasted 0 seconds.

so Ted, how did your wife call you from Flight 77 if there were no backseat phones, and FBI phonerecords show that her cell phone call did not get through?


FBI is DOJ and says that their own former solicitor general is lying.

[Carlos]

yes it's just another of the pieces that totally contradict the official conspiracy theory.. there's no way that ANY phone calls could, or would have got through travelling at the altitude and speed that 77 was (according to FAA flight records)

Although we shouldn't jump to conclusions that Ted was 'in on it', as was shown loose change 2nd ed. the powers that be have voice replication technologies, and so could well have faked the call(s) to Ted. and Ted has just changed his story to fit in with what he thought was possible. But does smell somewhat.

That was in DRG's Debunking 911 debunking: a true masterpice - with logic, facts and simple science shows up the official story for the outlandish and completely un-substantiated-in-reality conspiracy theory that it is.
But once again most people would either be too lazy to read it, or reject it on an irrational a priori basis, and as such are ignorant of the most persuasive arguments against the official CT.

I'm sure there are very few, if any on this board willing to answer this... even though from the ferosity of some to challenge me/alien, and others that dared to quetion the official story, I would expect those to defend their beliefs:

What evidence have you personally seen/researched that would in any way corroborate the official conspiracy theory? ......you can site NIST, or the 911 comission, or any other sources, but I want specifics from those papers/sources.surely non of you can begrudge me wanting to know why you believe in the established conspiracy theory?

[YoungRemy]

Originally Posted by Carlos

What evidence have you personally seen/researched that would in any way corroborate the official conspiracy theory? ......you can site NIST, or the 911 comission, or any other sources, but I want specifics from those papers/sources.surely non of you can begrudge me wanting to know why you believe in the established conspiracy theory?

what evidence do we have that the above story is corroborated by official documents? is this story personally researched by our own investigative bbmb sleuth squad? where's a link that makes this cell phone smoking gun story valid?

more importantly, where is Barbara Olsen now? do you think she is on some remote island sipping a martini or is she six feet under?

[Laver1969]

Originally Posted by YoungRemy

what evidence do we have that the above story is corroborated by official documents? is this story personally researched by our own investigative bbmb sleuth squad? where's a link that makes this cell phone smoking gun story valid?

more importantly, where is Barbara Olsen now? do you think she is on some remote island sipping a martini or is she six feet under?

I really shouldn't be saying this...but I'll share it because it's that important.

Barbara Olsen actually called me. She was using another passenger's cellphone. I have my cellphone records to prove it. Plus I recorded conversation...I just can't figure out how to get the cassette recording onto youtube.

Remy I know where Barbara Olsen is now. I'm not a liberty to share specifically where, but I'll tell you it's very close to Gilligan's Island.

[alien autopsy]

why is the question of "where barbara olsen is now" more important? sounds like it would be something that would be asked on the cover of a speculation tabloid enquirer magazine. the really important information has nothing to do with speculation, but hardcore evidence presented in a court of law. and that is that she didnt make those calls. yet we were told she did. and the media so far is failing to pick upon that story and ask the appropriate questions like:

-did ted olsen actually recieve a phone call? if so, how could it have been his wife?

heres AA website saying that the backseat phones and satelllite phones are only available on 777's and 767s. heres a 757 manual showing taht all of the phones were disconnected from the fleet of AA by january, 2001 (look at the date on the bottom, pg 1, not the rev. date at the top showing when this was printed.).

gotta run! will post information about the FBI report regarding the cell phone transmissions when i get back. its been written about enough that there should be a copy of it out there somewhere.
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[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by Laver1969

I really shouldn't be saying this...but I'll share it because it's that important.

Barbara Olsen actually called me. She was using another passenger's cellphone. I have my cellphone records to prove it. Plus I recorded conversation...I just can't figure out how to get the cassette recording onto youtube.

Remy I know where Barbara Olsen is now. I'm not a liberty to share specifically where, but I'll tell you it's very close to Gilligan's Island.

It is important where Barbara Olsen is now. This mystery has been looked into by the LATimes and really this whole phone call is a major part of the connecting inner matrix that opens the whole 9/11 conspiracy to light.

I am going to unravel a mind blowing tidbit of info here today, only because of the importance of the above discovery, Barbara Olsen was spotted at the party where Mary Anne was planted with Mary Jane.

This cover-up will now commence to unravel.

[alien autopsy]

its good that you can joke about it, but seriously...its kind of fucked up is it not?

[alien autopsy]

heres the link to the macromedia flash exhibit presented during the moussaoui trial in '06. its actually really well put together. its worth checking out. has all the information about all the flights, their passengers, the timelines, the calls, and the hijackers. this was the first time much this evidence was brought to court and made public.

i dont know how to cut and past from macromedia but you can check it from yourself, its directly from the government site which stores all exhibits from the trial, so its all very much legit.

but as you can see, there was 1 call attempt made by barbara olsen and it lasted 0 seconds. there were two calls from passenger renee may, which were to her parents. there were five "unknown numbers" which the macromedia presentation states "all cell phone calls are identified and all on-board phones indentified as 'unknown number'. interesting because we know there were no on-board phones on that plane because AA dismantled their phone systems on all their 757 fleet by january of 2001.

carlos brings up the question "what evidence do you have that supports the official story?" i think thats a fair question that deserves an answer if you are going to attempt to invalidate this evidence.

if you are too afraid to touch it then thats your own gig. fact of the matter is, evidence stands right in front of your face, and until it is disproven, it is fact. good luck chaps.

[alien autopsy]

p.s. on the government site, it is exhibit P200054. its a zip file.

[yeahwho]

It seems like a very thin thread, the Barbara Olsen phone call, if indeed her phone call never happened what does this mean? If her phone call did actually did happen what does that mean?

The evidence is inconclusive, or so it seems. The most amazing thing is the googled information including the Pilots info is inconclusive to whether that plane actually had cell phones.

What are the implications your deriving from this.

[Carlos]

nice links Alien! they clearly show that this is the reality of events....

Yeahwho you say this is a weak thread, taken in isolation, yes it proves/shows nothing except that Ted Olsen was either mistaken/duped in who he was speaking to on 911, or that he lied.
But it does show how no-one could have called out from flight 77 because mobile phones did not work at the altitude, and speed the flight was going. And there were no seat back phones..
Therefore the whole 'emotive' accounts of flight 77 is a fabrication. In other words another segment/episode of the official 911 narrative cannot be trusted, or taken as what really happened.

But is a side point, not the nail in the coffin...


What is of far greater importance, is why so many people are willing to accept the official narrative, but very few are willing to back that belief up with anything substantial.
Once again...........

What evidence have you personally read/seen etc. that proves the official version to be true?

this should be the starting point of any discussion of 911, all we are doing is merely asking that the official 911 conspiracy theory needs to be shown to be true!!!! Is that really so idiotic, seeing as though it has shaped our way of thinking and perception of the world. Telling thing is no one seems to be willing to defend the official account in an open and public way - even pop mechs have now refused any kind of public debate (prob cos their pathetic attempts at debunking, have themselves been well and truly debunked)

We are the people leading the ratoinal and scientific debate, rather than hiding behind an unsubstantiated myth! Time and time again we will bring it back to the physical data and eveidence, even when asked constantly to speculate wildly as to the whereabouts of people and other such useless crap..

[alien autopsy]

Originally Posted by yeahwho

It seems like a very thin thread, the Barbara Olsen phone call, if indeed her phone call never happened what does this mean? If her phone call did actually did happen what does that mean?

The evidence is inconclusive, or so it seems. The most amazing thing is the googled information including the Pilots info is inconclusive to whether that plane actually had cell phones.

What are the implications your deriving from this.

i think its more than a thin thread, i think its another peice of evidence that should be investigated further. and i dont really know what else to derive from this, other than its another case where the 9-11 commission failed to go, or at the very least, wasnt given access to.

in your search, you'll notice no "credible" sources....you have to dig deeper and find the originals, like the ones i linked above. i take you directly to the source. thats the only way you can get an unbiased, unframed picture of events. its not worth reading into someones 9-11 rant if you are looking for truth. you have to have clear evidence without all the hype.

either way, its another peice of the 9-11 puzzle that needs to be understood in the larger timeline for that day.

[alien autopsy]

Associates of her husband said after she and the other passengers were herded into the back of the plane, she pulled out her cellphone and twice called her husband's office at the Justice Department. When she reached her husband, she told him the plane was being hijacked and urged him to quickly call the FBI.
CNN, the network for whom Mrs. Olson worked, reported that she also told her husband that the hijackers were wielding knives and cardboard cutters and that their motives were not readily apparent.
Since their marriage 5 years ago, the Olsons have been a formidable conservative pair. She wrote a biting biography of former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton. He successfully represented George W. Bush at the Supreme Court last December, stopping the Florida recounts and guaranteeing Bush the White House.

source

wow i didnt know that! mr olsen represented dubya to stop the recounts!

you'll notice that they mention the cell phone calls, and that she worked for cnn. i am pretty sure i remember watching cnn at the time of the hijacking and hearing breaking news of barbara's phone call while the plane was still hijacked and heading towards DC. im trying to find more info on that, because it that is the case, and this phone call was faked, or didnt happen at all, then its important to understand the significance of this call.

[abcdefz]

DRAAAAAAAAAAAINAGE

[alien autopsy]

lol.


cant find that barbara breaking news clip...maybe its a figment of my imagination. regardless....

[Carlos]

Originally Posted by abcdefz

DRAAAAAAAAAAAINAGE

...sure it is for your obviously limited capacity for rational debate. I mean are you just here to show everyone what a spectacular moron you are?

To treat the single most important event of the last 50 years with such contempt is truly a marvel of intellect. Congratulations!!
---

anyway back to the substance: a really good interview with Richard Gage on ABC national radio yesterday: if only there was more people in the media willing to even entertain the subject - this is no conspiracy theorist: Richard solely deals with the science and empirical data: not once enters into any kind of conspiritorial speculation. He is at the forefront and embodies the main thrust of the 911 movement: to ask questions, and demand answers... not to speculate wildly as to who did what for what end..etc.

and as such we are less conspiracy theorists than the likes of abcdefz who obviously lapped up the conspiracy story hook line and sinker

[alien autopsy]

easy easy easy now. too much attacking, havent enough people been hurt by 911?

[yeahwho]

I did read most of what was on google, I'm not trying to be obnoxious, but why don't you highlight credible sources with reference on your posts? The stuff I've read all has semi-quasi reliable anonymous folks with names like "panther piss" and such.

If your seriously trying to make a point, give the names of the AA employee or representative who stated flight 77 absolutely had no cell phones. Don't make us search.

Then give the name of who quantified cell phone usage at a set speed and altitude.

Your selling a whopper without any beef. Wheres the beef?

I ain't going to spend my time searching through links and hearsay threads. Post the facts about this goofy phone call that definitively states it could never happen.

PS I remember the Barbara Olsen clip. Just from the barrage of clips during the attack (or conspiracy to you)

[alien autopsy]

im a bit confused.

i gave the link to the actual physical exhibit of the moussaoui trial which proves that barbara did not place any such call- her attempted call failed to her husband ted.

i also gave the link from the AA flight manual proving that all backseat phones were dismantled before january of 2001 proving that ted's testimony that she placed an "on-board" phone call is mistaken, or false all together.

what else could you ask for? what more is there to prove?

[yeahwho]

This link, from the AA flight manual proving that all backseat phones were dismantled before january of 2001 tells me nothing and contradicts evidence from named individuals who say the phone systems were still operational on AA passenger planes, 757's included. If that link means something to the truthout people, then there is a bigger disconnect between me and them than ever before.

That link is vague, the goat book Bush was reading is much more informational and factual.

This link is a court document, why don't you sort it out for me, I'm not interested in all of it. Show me the part where a court of law says the phone call did not happen. Don't you think it is bullshit to throw something the majority of us have already figured out is bullshit into a huge complicated mess?

Just cut to the chase where a court of law says the phone call could never of happened.

[alien autopsy]

yeahwho, if you cant tie your own shoes, how are you going to walk?

as i mentioned above, you're going to have to take two minutes to open the macromedia flash zip file. it is the base-evidence, it is the FBI's presentation in the trial, showing all the information about the flights. its interactive, you might find it entertaining, i did

just open, click on the phonecalls section, click flight 77 and you are there. two minutes. i cant cut and past out of flash, so you have to do it yourself. i know that if i quote someone elses words, mainstream media or not, its going to go nowhere, so here is the basis, the factual basis.

ive done my part, now yours:

prove to me that there were phones on those american airline 757s on the date of september 11th.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by alien autopsy

yeahwho, if you cant tie your own shoes, how are you going to walk?

as i mentioned above, you're going to have to take two minutes to open the macromedia flash zip file. it is the base-evidence, it is the FBI's presentation in the trial, showing all the information about the flights. its interactive, you might find it entertaining, i did

just open, click on the phonecalls section, click flight 77 and you are there. two minutes. i cant cut and past out of flash, so you have to do it yourself. i know that if i quote someone elses words, mainstream media or not, its going to go nowhere, so here is the basis, the factual basis.

ive done my part, now yours:

prove to me that there were phones on those american airline 757s on the date of september 11th.

You cannot be concise, you have no case. It's always turning the debate into "Do Your Own Research". I have and I've found this conspiracy to be seriously flawed.
Facts are what count. Presented in a no bullshit concise matter. It isn't like I'm asking for you to make it more complicated. Wild goose chases are not credible to the average BBMB reader.

I'm not throwing anything up against the wall and trying to have you or any other reader try to figure it out. Why are you?

[alien autopsy]

why are you so hostile? its probably not good for your heart.

i gave you the facts i found which, to any reasonable person are pretty concise and clear. instead of looking at it, people are asking "oh yeah, well so where is barbara now?" and talking down on people gets you nowhere, which is a tendency alot have around here. all it does it take everything into a downward piss spiral. so why are you?

haha. figuring anything out has a lot to do with asking the right questions.


the manual is an internal document from american airlines. it is in the aircraft manual for the 757 fleet they operate. it says there are no phones on board. im sorry i dont have a photo of the backseat from the acutal flight 77 itself, but even if i did, i not to sure it would make sense to you.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by alien autopsy

why are you so hostile? its probably not good for your heart.

i gave you the facts i found which, to any reasonable person are pretty concise and clear. instead of looking at it, people are asking "oh yeah, well so where is barbara now?" and talking down on people gets you nowhere, which is a tendency alot have around here. all it does it take everything into a downward piss spiral. so why are you?

haha. figuring anything out has a lot to do with asking the right questions.


the manual is an internal document from american airlines. it is in the aircraft manual for the 757 fleet they operate. it says there are no phones on board. im sorry i dont have a photo of the backseat from the acutal flight 77 itself, but even if i did, i not to sure it would make sense to you.

Hostile? I'm not accusing anybody of a faked phone call, you are. That memo is vague. No representative of American Airlines is quoted. Did the US Government gag all of American Airlines employees? It is the largest passenger airline on the planet earth, only FedEx has more planes and that is by only the number of 15 more planes.

It is a memo alright, but what it references is nothing. Just that a 757 had no cell(s) phone(s) service on a particular piece of paper with no identification of who, where, when, why or how it happened. It is nothing.

Now if you would please post the other accusatory evidence you've accumulated, lets look at that and see where the fact is that states absolutely, beyond all reasonable doubt, in a court of law the phone call could not take place. Believe me I'm not half as hostile as those affected by the false information and time wasted on theories that had an innocent family member die on 9/11. This is why many here will force you to put up, in clear terms and fact what your trying to prove.

I ain't chasing wild geese, you are. So don't expect me to open my mind to speculation when thousands have died. If a conclusion is more concrete and factual I'll listen.

So once again for the sake of the remaining few who patronize these threads please,

Show me the part where a court of law says the phone call did not happen.

Then give the name of who quantified cell phone usage at a set speed and altitude.

[YoungRemy]

yeahwho

[alien autopsy]

lol

[alien autopsy]

i guess i dont know what to say. hmm...i dont think im disrespecting anyone by asking these questions. at least its not at all my intentions. i dont buy into the whole, "thousands died and your an asshole for asking questions" bit. her phone call is an interesting issue and maybe it does deserve to be directly dealt with, in a court of law. the moussaoui trial was the first time that evidence was released to the public, and there is still a wealth of information that has not been released, such as the 80 or so videos that reportedly show proof of barbara's plane crashing into the pentagon. so far, i have seen no proof. but that is a whole seperate story.

i guess we can just leave it at that. you are unconvinced and i am not totally convinced but i think its interesting and worth noting. im happy to move on from here. i think this thread has run its course. unless anyone else has anything intelligent to add.

[alien autopsy]

Originally Posted by yeahwho

Hostile?

Show me the part where a court of law says the phone call did not happen.

Then give the name of who quantified cell phone usage at a set speed and altitude.

yeah, dude, you're hostile.

i showed you the FBI exhibit flash file that proves her cell phone call didnt go through, that was presented in a court of law as evidence in the case against moussaoui. it would be purjury or something like that, for the FBI to present false evidence, so maybe you should get on that and get the FBI on purjury.

i dont know what you are talking about with the quantified cell phone usage at set speed and altitude.

[yeahwho]

Originally Posted by alien autopsy

yeah, dude, you're hostile.

i showed you the FBI exhibit flash file that proves her cell phone call didnt go through, that was presented in a court of law as evidence in the case against moussaoui. it would be purjury or something like that, for the FBI to present false evidence, so maybe you should get on that and get the FBI on purjury.

i dont know what you are talking about with the quantified cell phone usage at set speed and altitude.

I'm not hostile, I'm an reasonable citizen asking a very elementary question, your link is huge. I'm just saying why don't you cut to the chase and just post all the pertinent facts. I have a very distinct and exacting level of intensity when my chain gets yanked. I haven't asked you complicate anything, post the exact document that says no phone call went through.

Then out of the many thousands of AA employees find one who specifically states the cell phones did not function and in fact were removed from that plane, before 9/11/2001.

Without that information why continue? As far as the speed and altitude question, it's a point Carlos brought up,

But it does show how no-one could have called out from flight 77 because mobile phones did not work at the altitude, and speed the flight was going. And there were no seat back phones..
Therefore the whole 'emotive' accounts of flight 77 is a fabrication. In other words another segment/episode of the official 911 narrative cannot be trusted, or taken as what really happened.

The hostility your sensing is burden of proof. That day is more about human tragedy than conspiracy. I tend to believe Barbara Olsen died tragically and the surroundings of the phone call are a thin, extremely thin thread to grasp onto. It doesn't mean anything and I feel badly for her husband.

Olson was a passenger on American Airlines Flight 77 on her way to a taping of Politically Incorrect in Los Angeles (host Bill Maher left a panel seat vacant during the first week the show aired after the attacks), when it was flown into the Pentagon in the September 11, 2001 attacks. (She had been scheduled to take an earlier flight, but switched to that Flight 77 on that Tuesday, her husband's 61st birthday, in order to celebrate over dinner the night before.) She twice called her husband, then U.S. Solicitor General, from one of the phones in a passenger's seat, about 20 minutes before the plane hit the Pentagon, asking him "What can I do?"

[yeahwho]

The Court document you wanted me to open states that 8 phone calls were made, two from flight attendant Renee May (one call 0 seconds, the second 158 seconds.) one from Barbara Olsen and 5 unidentified calls.

The one call from Barbara Olsen is 20 minutes before impact, it is recorded at 0 seconds. (As her husband stated)

Then there are 5 unidentified phone calls from Flight 77 that morning, between 9:14 and 9:30 AM. (one did not go through, the others are all over a minute... 4 of them connected one lasted 260 seconds, right up to impact.

That is what I just read from the court document you would not supply us with.