English Premier League 2009/2010

[Guy Incognito]

Yeah He went straight to the prem via Marseilles.

I'm stumped.

2 of the remaining 4 played for chelsea and barcelona but i aint tellin you the other clubs they played for.
the other two went to spanish clubs sometime this year (or maybe end of last year)

[camo]

Fucking Pennant...forgot he played for Arsenal!

[Guy Incognito]

Fucking Pennant...forgot he played for Arsenal!

(y) - so did he - he was too pissed.

[camo]

The dutch one has baffled me totally.

[Guy Incognito]

The dutch one has baffled me totally.

well ok,

he played for two of the big four, barcelona , a big italian club and another premier league club that arent a premier league club anymore

[Drederick Tatum]

the Frenchmen, I think, are Anelka, Lassana Diarra, and Emmanuel Petit.

[Guy Incognito]

the Frenchmen, I think, are Anelka, Lassana Diarra, and Emmanuel Petit.

yes tatum.(y)(y) Diarra stumped evryone at work today , he only played for the big 4 clubs a coupla times i think

only the dutchman left.

you have 20 minutes and no more clues

[camo]

^those are correct.

Dutchman though.....:confused:

[rirv]

BBoudewijn Zenden, Liverpool Chelsea Barca

[camo]

haha yeah and the team that went down are borough.

Nice (y)

[Drederick Tatum]

was Zenden ever good?

[Guy Incognito]

was Zenden ever good?

he didnt even looked good in the boro side.

yes all correct now, well done

[Planetary]

diarra crossed my mind but then i forgot his name amongst a haze of another french names... :(

[Lex Diamonds]

Fair play he's got a nice touch on him but even I could score against Fulham these days, they're wank.

[Planetary]

what you on about?

[Planetary]

kevin doyle?

[Guy Incognito]

what a fucking shit game yesterday. atleast we've got portsmouth on saturday...

unlucky son


Equalizer! Thank christ for that

John O'Shea crosses from the right and Dimitar Berbatov conjures an immaculate overhead kick to beat Craig Gordon from 14 yards.

maybe too soon to start celebrating cos we havent played well but am just happy berba scored it.

united fans are so divided on him its unbelievable, some think he's lazy and has no product and others think he's as good as eric. its weird that opinion is that contrasting, i think he's brilliant.
what is the general consensus on the man with you guys (man u and non man u)?

EDIT : FUCKING HELL SUNDERLAND HAVE SCORED AGAIN JUST AS I HIT SUBMIT. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Guy Incognito]

phew! we should be beating sunderland at home but considering everyone had a stinker and it was a mental team selection, i will take a battling draw.

just hope chelsea liverpool is a draw tomorrow

[camo]

That was a bobbins game (n)

[Guy Incognito]

That was a bobbins game (n)

in terms of our performance yes - but entertaining all the same. showed fighting spirit and good pressure and berbatizzle was awesome

[camo]

Yeah sure but there was an whiff of 'can't be arsed' to the first 45 from a lot of the united players.

[Guy Incognito]

Yeah sure but there was an whiff of 'can't be arsed' to the first 45 from a lot of the united players.

fair do's - i think fergie made some wrong decisions - danny wellbeck isnt good or consistent enough and neither is nani but i am sick of whingeing about him.

[camo]

Your right about them both. You can see how annoyed Berba gets with Nani. The guy just doesn't have enough 'end product' for me.

Wellbeck won't ever make it past this season...and if not this one the next. He'll be a Preston player before you know it.

[Guy Incognito]

Your right about them both. You can see how annoyed Berba gets with Nani. The guy just doesn't have enough 'end product' for me.

Wellbeck won't ever make it past this season...and if not this one the next. He'll be a Preston player before you know it.

and thats my worry, i just think chelsea have better squad this year.

[roosta]

C E S C

[camo]

^ How good was he!?!?! Legend

[checkyourprez]

and thats my worry, i just think chelsea have better squad this year.


i liken the chelsea squad of this year to the italian world champ team in 06. if you look at that team, every player was between 26-29 all of them in the prime of their careers. they werent having to work anyone in, they werent having to wait for anyone to develop. the chelsea squad is all experienced vets 25-30 years old, coupled with a great coach. that = championship to me.

arsenals still too young (but they are real close, if they can hold on to everyone, add maybe 1 or 2 more vets).
man citys still missing some peices.
liverpool are just liverpool. (nah but for real that team is a 2 and a half man show. steve, nado, and yosi's the halfer)
tottenham just not enough quality.
man u is just dealing with loosing a top 3 player in the world and having a hard time replacing what he brought to the table.

[Guy Incognito]

i liken the chelsea squad of this year to the italian world champ team in 06. if you look at that team, every player was between 26-29 all of them in the prime of their careers. they werent having to work anyone in, they werent having to wait for anyone to develop. the chelsea squad is all experienced vets 25-30 years old, coupled with a great coach. that = championship to me.

arsenals still too young (but they are real close, if they can hold on to everyone, add maybe 1 or 2 more vets).
man citys still missing some peices.
liverpool are just liverpool. (nah but for real that team is a 2 and a half man show. steve, nado, and yosi's the halfer)
tottenham just not enough quality.
man u is just dealing with loosing a top 3 player in the world and having a hard time replacing what he brought to the table.

good points about chelsea.
despite the fact i hate them i dont think benayoun's that good and you arent giving reina any credit at all. top keeper
and as for man utd i think up front we are coping quite well without ronaldo, i think its the engine room that's struggling and the way scholes passed the ball on staurday was a joke. carrick is the key and maybe hargreaves if he comes back fully fit

[checkyourprez]

good points about chelsea.
despite the fact i hate them i dont think benayoun's that good and you arent giving reina any credit at all. top keeper
and as for man utd i think up front we are coping quite well without ronaldo, i think its the engine room that's struggling and the way scholes passed the ball on staurday was a joke. carrick is the key and maybe hargreaves if he comes back fully fit


take nothing away from reina he is top class. the team still does not have enough quality. they really miss alonso. dumb move to sell him. maybe aqullani can provide it, but im not sure. italians arent fond of the prem and vis versa.

[Guy Incognito]

cant beleive nobody has mentioned the beach ball goal. ha ha ha ha ha.

liverpool fans left sunderland deflated.:D

[Guy Incognito]

well a good motd awaits. 8 red cards, arse loads of goals and the mickeys got battered(y)

[checkyourprez]

pools gonna be lucky to be in the CL next year.

[Guy Incognito]

pools gonna be lucky to be in the CL next year.

please stop calling them that. but i think your right, depends if city or spurs can keep it up

[Drederick Tatum]

good result for Burnley, but they should be regularly docked points until Owen Coyle puts some trousers on and stops looking like a highschool PE teacher.

[Planetary]

We, as predicted, did get a slight dicking in the end from Arsenal. but when you go 2-0 down from two own goals within half an hour, you know you aren't going to win. we also had a couple of early decent chances which may have changed the game had they gone in.

Oh well, at least the hard game is out of the way, now we can look forward to chelsea away...

[Guy Incognito]

good result for Burnley, but they should be regularly docked points until Owen Coyle puts some trousers on and stops looking like a highschool PE teacher.

hahaha

their third goal was brilliant - if it had been scored by one of the top four the pundits would have called it goal of season. fantastic move.

i'll take a point against chelsea but i cant see it if brown and evans are at the back

[Drederick Tatum]

did anyone else see as subs were being made that there was this black guy in the crowd wearing dark sunglasses and brushing his teeth?

[Guy Incognito]

did anyone else see as subs were being made that there was this black guy in the crowd wearing dark sunglasses and brushing his teeth?

well it wasnt a classic - he was prolly bored.

we did all right, better than i thought ,maybe deserved a draw but chelsea won ugly which is the sign of a very good side. no complaints really, some will whinge about the goal but you those free kicks at home. just hope arsenal beat them in a few weeks otherwise its looking ominous

[rirv]

did anyone else see as subs were being made that there was this black guy in the crowd wearing dark sunglasses and brushing his teeth?
I'm glad someone else noticed that. Wtf was going on? Is it the natural evolution of wearing a 'fro comb in your hair, now you complete all your morning tasks in public in the early evening? The fact that he was all slicked out with the designer shades and jacket too, and there he was with a fucking toothbrush in his mouth, right behind the bench on international TV.

With regards to the game I don't think United deserved a win. A draw perhaps, but they didn't really have any clear cut chances with mostly long shots or free kicks being their efforts on goal. Chelsea for the leauge I think, especially they have (ridiculously) had their transfer ban suspended pending the appeal. What's the point in the ban now? They can just stock up on players in January.

[Guy Incognito]

What's the point in the ban now? They can just stock up on players in January.

i dont think they need to really, maybe a striker to cover drogba in the african nations but their squad is pretty good if a bit old

[rirv]

God bless youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XujxtW2F88

[Guy Incognito]

God bless youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XujxtW2F88

haha..weird.

[checkyourprez]

chelsea could stand to bring in a forward in the winter for cover like guy said.


other then that their squad is pretty perfect for winning the league. i think they have just as good of a chance as anyone else in the cl too. besides inter they probably have the best bunch of center backs in the world, which is crucial for the long haul.

[rirv]

Meanwhile, I'm looking forwards to Liverpool lifting the new "Europa League" trophy aloft come May. No prouder moment shall there have been in the club's history.

[Guy Incognito]

Meanwhile, I'm looking forwards to Liverpool lifting the new "Europa League" trophy aloft come May. No prouder moment shall there have been in the club's history.

Cant even see you winning that if torres aint fit

Face the facts , this year in the PL you have been beaten by:

Fulham
Aston Villa
Chelsea
Tottenham
Sunderland

[Drederick Tatum]

God bless youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XujxtW2F88


hahaha great find.

[rirv]

Cant even see you winning that if torres aint fit

Face the facts , this year in the PL you have been beaten by:

Fulham
Aston Villa
Chelsea
Tottenham
Sunderland
What have these 'facts' got to do with the Europa League? We might not even scrape into that if we manage to lose to Debrecen.

Face these facts, this year in the Premier League Manchester United have been beaten by:

Liverpool (a mediocre team)
Burnley (newly promoted)
Chelsea

Form of champions? No.

[Guy Incognito]

What have these 'facts' got to do with the Europa League? We might not even scrape into that if we manage to lose to Debrecen.

Face these facts, this year in the Premier League Manchester United have been beaten by:

Liverpool (a mediocre team)
Burnley (newly promoted)
Chelsea

Form of champions? No.

jeez man, it was just an acrostic joke. plus ive already said its chelseas

[Drederick Tatum]

decent win for Arsenal against Stoke, but Eboue continues to irritate me.

Man Utd v West Ham might've been a lot different if Cartlon Cole had been able to go up against that makeshift back four.

[Planetary]

Good result for Wolves yesterday. We desperately needed to win that. and what a goal from Milijas :)

bring on... erm... tottenham away? then united :(

[camo]

and what a goal from Milijas :)

He proper tonked that ball (y)

[Lex Diamonds]

What about Gibson's beaut? And Scholesy getting a corker.

Also, Chelsea losing is very good news. Looks like football can still be exciting after all.

[checkyourprez]

forza milan. ronaldinho killing kids.

[camo]

^WTF?


What about Gibson's beaut? And Scholesy getting a corker.

and tomasz kuszczak's save (y)

[Guy Incognito]

forza milan. ronaldinho killing kids.

pardon?

united were brilliant yesterday but west ham are shit this year. spurs blew a great chance to go third

[Lex Diamonds]

killing kids = making everyone else look bad

[camo]

That is a lame saying :rolleyes:

[Planetary]

Yeah Darron Gibson was on loan at us for a year. He was poo but he scored a few similar to that one...

Also, Kuszczak's save? What about his celebration?

[camo]

haha his failed flip!

[Freebasser]

Gibson has a hammer for a foot, it's true, but he is serverly lacking in awareness. I have lost count of the number of times the OT crowd has shouted "man on!" only for him to stand there bemused while the opposition close in and take the ball off him. He's much like Michael Carrick in that respect.

Hopefully he will come good and we will have a box-to-box man in the mould of Scholes/Keano.

[checkyourprez]

That is a lame saying :rolleyes:

naah. common american saying mo.


and pardon the occasional milan talk i throw in here, this is the only outlet for it. :o

[Guy Incognito]

Gibson has a hammer for a foot, it's true, but he is serverly lacking in awareness. I have lost count of the number of times the OT crowd has shouted "man on!" only for him to stand there bemused while the opposition close in and take the ball off him. He's much like Michael Carrick in that respect.

Hopefully he will come good and we will have a box-to-box man in the mould of Scholes/Keano.

awareness is borne out of experience - if he's still doing it loads in two seasons then i might be pissed off but he's getting better with each game and each time he scores his confidence soars, its timely seeing as scholesys mentioned knocking it on the head and isnt the force he used to be

[Freebasser]

In other news, Evans and O'Shea are now sidelined til January.

We are currently without:

Van der Sar
Brown
Neville
Vidic
Ferdinand
O'Shea
Evans
Fabio
Rafael
Hargreaves
Berbatov
Rooney

Yikes! Don't know what we're going to do against Wolfsburg tomorrow night - Da Laet isn't registered for the Champions League, so our only natural defenders are Evra (thank christ he's still fit) and Oliver Gill, Big Boss David Gill's son.

Going to be an interesting night, that's for sure :/

[Guy Incognito]

In other news, Evans and O'Shea are now sidelined til January.

That means we are currently without:

Van der Sar
Brown
Neville
Vidic
Ferdinand
O'Shea
Evans
Fabio
Rafael
Hargreaves
Berbatov
Rooney

Yikes! Don't know what we're going to do against Wolfsburg tomorrow night - Da Laet isn't registered for the Champions League, so our only natural defenders are Evra (thank christ he's still fit) and Oliver Gill, Big Boss David Gill's son.

Going to be an interesting night, that's for sure :/

what the chuffs up with wayne? - thought he was all right, berbs played on saturday as well. we might get dispensation to put da laet in, you never know. carrick at the back was okay against a shit west ham side but not so sure about champions league. Evra has probably been our best player this season, or wayne.

[checkyourprez]

thats balls. luckily they are already qualified, although its not the opportune time for injuries right as the crowded xmas fixtures are coming up and finally being in touching distance of chelsea. but any top class defensive midfielder should be able to fill in the back and do alright. fletcher and carrick will do alright. i would think even anderson would be able to hold down a wing back roll.


and whats hargraves deal, is he still alive?

[Guy Incognito]

centre of defence is a key position and you cant expect a midfielder to master every nuance of the art of defending, sure they could do a certain standard of job against some forward lines but against top class attackers you are going to struggle .Plus as a midfielder playing defence you have to quell certain aspects of your game that have become natural playing in midfield, it'd be hard to do for 90 minutes let alone a few games.

so its not balls

hargreaves did his cruciate i think twice. i could be wrong but i think he is scheduled to come back early 2010.

[Freebasser]

Hargreaves has tendonitis in both knees.

It sounds pretty painful and the specialist who operated on him says if he suffers a recurrence of it he'll likely have to retire :(

Also Rooney is apparently out with a knee injury - 1-2 weeks.

[Guy Incognito]

Hargreaves has tendonitis in both knees.

It sounds pretty painful and the specialist who operated on him says if he suffers a recurrence of it he'll likely have to retire :(

Also Rooney is apparently out with a knee injury - 1-2 weeks.

good knee knowledge freebasser.

hargreaves is class, its just a shame most people in england didnt realise it for a long time.

its a massive game at villa now - we got quite an easy xmas period after villa and if we can stay in touch and then get some players back we have a great chance.

[checkyourprez]

centre of defence is a key position and you cant expect a midfielder to master every nuance of the art of defending, sure they could do a certain standard of job against some forward lines but against top class attackers you are going to struggle .Plus as a midfielder playing defence you have to quell certain aspects of your game that have become natural playing in midfield, it'd be hard to do for 90 minutes let alone a few games.

so its not balls

hargreaves did his cruciate i think twice. i could be wrong but i think he is scheduled to come back early 2010.

im not saying its easy by any means. especially central defense, a lot of the nuances of position and timing takes many years of master. but i think a quality defensive mid can perform adequately. (frankly i'd rather have carrick back there over o'sea). and if worse came to absolute worse (assuming he was healthy) i think rooney would actually do an okay job back there.

but in terms of playing a quality defensive midfielder at wingback that can be quite seamless. just in the past year mike essien and mathieu flammini have filled in for their respective squads more than admirably. and you can look at gianluca zambrotta as a former wing midfielder who was converted in to a wingback and has been one of the better ones of the last decade.

[Freebasser]

Goal of the season? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Wz5sPHcrA)

[Planetary]

have it! 1-0!!

[Drederick Tatum]

yeah fuck off Spurs. keep your top four pretensions for yourselves.

Aston Villa one up against Man Utd with ten minutes to play. Downing clears off the line...good stuff.

[checkyourprez]

Goal of the season? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-Wz5sPHcrA)

im not lookin at it because im in a comp lab writing a paper, but im guessing its the figueroa goal. that was nice, real heady play. the whole game was great, end to end stuff. lot of action.

[Guy Incognito]

there were some great goals and games this weekend, it made up for united getting beat and although we could have closed the gap i'm not too disheartened about chances.

[Guy Incognito]

TEAM NEWS Man Utd v Wolves
Following their 1-0 win at Spurs at the weekend, Wolves boss Mick McCarthy makes an incredible 10 changes with goalkeeper Marcus Hahnemann the only survivor.

:confused::confused:

[Freebasser]

Watched about 20 live streams so far tonight - they keep getting deleted. Missed the Rooney penalty, and have now resorted to listening to the god-awful commentary on 5Live.

WOOHOO 2-0 Vidic!

[Freebasser]

For the third time in a row the live stream broke seconds before United scored. I haven't seen any of the goals! I swear my computer has it in for me.

Fucking pissed off TBH.

[Planetary]

Mick McCarthy is my hero.

glad i didnt fork out 5 million squid to go and watch that bag of wank.

that being said i wish we'd take our chance(s) more often

[Guy Incognito]

Mick McCarthy is my hero.

glad i didnt fork out 5 million squid to go and watch that bag of wank.

that being said i wish we'd take our chance(s) more often

pardon?

I cant say that i am not happy that we had it easy last night but its piss poor management all round.

- there were some chelsea fans on 606 last night saying that they hope wolves dont need a favour at the end of the season.
-if wolves had done this at end of season there would have been murder
i'm still fairly sure they broke the rules
-wolves had won two games back to back and he decides to drop them all for one of the biggest games of the season. demotivating if you ask me, and the way we are playing it might have been a lot closer game and wolves may have got even more confidence.

[rirv]

-wolves had won two games back to back and he decides to drop them all for one of the biggest games of the season. demotivating if you ask me, and the way we are playing it might have been a lot closer game and wolves may have got even more confidence.Biggest game of the season? It's good to see United fans welcoming the small clubs to Old Trafford with a bit of humility. I'm sure some of the players were gutted to miss out on their big night out and will regret this for the rest of their careers.

[paul jones]

Biggest game of the season? It's good to see United fans welcoming the small clubs to Old Trafford with a bit of humility. I'm sure some of the players were gutted to miss out on their big night out and will regret this for the rest of their careers.

Mick McCarthy made a wrong decision there I thought.He said the game on the weekend with Burnley was 'BIGGER'.Surely fielding a stronger side against Man U would have been more wise.

[Guy Incognito]

-wolves had won two games back to back and he decides to drop them all for one of the biggest games of the season. .

Biggest game of the season? It's good to see United fans welcoming the small clubs to Old Trafford with a bit of humility. I'm sure some of the players were gutted to miss out on their big night out and will regret this for the rest of their careers.

i'm sorry but in wolves' case playing the top 4 (and liverpool) is a big part of the season, its what its all about, the big crowds,stadia, top players etc. sure there are going to be other big six pointers but playing against the champions has got to be on any promoted players wish list.

mccarthy is going to look stupid if they lose to burnley, it was a negative move thats all i was trying to say

[Planetary]

McCarthy's motive here was to save the confidence of his first team. and fitness too i suppose.

coming off two wins and united coming off two defeats, and with utd's weakened team, yesterday was a good opportunity to cause an upset.

but no, the genius just dropped the whole squad.

[rirv]

I think too much is being made of this. It's not the first time it's happened, won't be the last. Sir Alex himself has fielded weakened teams to save his first team for more important matches.

Problem is, Burnley drawing with Arsenal tonight is going to provide ammunition for lazy journalists to say that WITHOUT QUESTION Mick McCarthy made a mistake and that Wolves would have won if they played their first team. I hate the football media. Mountains out of molehills and unquestionable bias.

[checkyourprez]

YOU BITCHES ARE GOING DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


FORZAAA MILLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Guy Incognito]

YOU BITCHES ARE GOING DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


FORZAAA MILLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wrong thread you clown

and we'll see. should be a good coupla games. youngsters and giggs v oaps

[checkyourprez]

wrong thread you clown

and we'll see. should be a good coupla games. youngsters and giggs v oaps

dont get butthurt because milan has infiltrated the premier league thread.

[Planetary]

dont get butthurt because milan has infiltrated the premier league thread.

again

[checkyourprez]

you brits are so sensitive when faced with the fear of god.

[Planetary]

you brits are so sensitive when faced with the fear of god.

....?

anywayyyyyy wolves burnley on sunday, might actually be good entertainment?

[Lex Diamonds]

Fuck Milan, United are gonna fuck you up in the last 16 son.

[checkyourprez]

Fuck Milan, United are gonna fuck you up in the last 16 son.


DA GODS IS IN THE BUILDING SON!!!!!!!! HEREEEE WE GOOO


some fucking barn burners in the last16. ill switch over that talk to the CL thread though from here.

[Planetary]

united lost to fulham today, case in point we should have gone for it, albeit at old trafford.

that said, if we take 3 points from tomorrow im happy. that's 9 from 12.

[Lex Diamonds]

I'm speechless. Fucking Fulham? THREE goals?? Come on Sir Alex, sort it out.

[Planetary]

yeah to be honest it wasn't so much that you lost, but the margin. that's a heavy defeat for anyone at fulham, let alone Man Utd.

also, liverpool lost again. so much for alan hansen's prediction on motd last week lol

[paul jones]

What a CrAzY season this is turning out to be.

[Freebasser]

In fairness, we have bugger all defensive options, but we have been very poor at times this season - mind you, I don't think there's been one consistent run of wins from any one team so far.

Villa are getting scarily close, and are in scarily good form :(

[checkyourprez]

most embar for man u.

if arsenal would only add 2 players of experience and quality in the jan transfer window i really think they could threaten to win it. especially with chelsea being without the africans for a month.

[Planetary]

especially with chelsea being without the africans for a month.

something tells me this wont affect them at all

[Guy Incognito]

mancini for city - feel a bit for hughesy but he'll be working again soon - bolton?

no complaints about the fulham loss - its a tough place to go.

[checkyourprez]

something tells me this wont affect them at all

idk man, they seem to have problems when drogba is out of the lineup.

[Planetary]

idk man, they seem to have problems when drogba is out of the lineup.

looks like theyll be back before a game is played here anyway...

im gutted about our game with west ham :( had everything booked and ready to go then i found out yesterday afternoon.

on the transfer front, we've been linked with stephen hunt which, even if he is a nasty little cunt, would be an excellent signing for us.

it'd be nice to go for jamie o'hara too, and gareth bale or nickey shorey at left back.

with those and a striker (would love robbie keane but more realistically, david nugent has started scoring...) that'd be an excellent jan for us.

any other thoughts on the transfer window?

i notice this thread has gone very quiet since the recent decline of Man utd. i find it funny how some people are on about alex being past his best and united arent the team they were, and yet theyre still only a win away from being first in the premier league. the difference is ronaldo, he's the one who used to provide the goals against teams like the scruffy blue twats or leeds.

though i still think chelsea will win it, i think utd have a chance and would actually like to see them win it now. Just to prove a point.

[Freebasser]

It helps that the teams around us keep slipping up too, but we have looked very ordinary recently, conceding lots of goals at homes, and losing some games there too.

United have had problems converting possession into goals ever since Giggs stopped being a regular winger - apart from when Ronaldo played for us of course. Now there is nobody on the wings to get that final ball into a position that anybody can do anything with it. It says a lot when our best attacking winger is Evra - a wingback.

Watching United at the moment is like watching them in 04-05 when they employed van Nistelrooy up front by himself and we won bog-all and finished third. 90 minutes of van the man holding the ball up with nobody further forward to pass to made for frustrating viewing, I can tell you. A bit like watching Rooney struggle last night. The 3rd round cup tie with Leeds was the perfect example of this - we never looked like scoring - and we were damn lucky to one past Brum last night - note: another assist for Evra the winger.

But hey, it's still a good position to be in - in the last 16 of the CL and 1 point behind Chelsea (with an extra game played though). So I should stop bitching, really.

[rirv]

Sucks to be a Liverpool fan. It's not been this bad since the last days of Roy Evans and I can genuinely see us finishing 6th or 7th if things don't go our way - although equally this is mostly the same team that finished 2nd last season, so a good run and 4th could become a lot more secure.

It is interesting that the teams Liverpool have slipped up against earlier in the season like Birmingham and Fulham and got a load of grief for it have been taking plenty of points away from other top of the table teams.

If we do get Maxi Rodriguez I think he'd add a good attacking threat which is what we're missing. Gerrard has been average this season and Torres has had no decent supply - which makes it more amazing that he is actually scoring goals. Against Reading in the FA Cup last weekend he was working so hard just so he could get the ball because no one was able to get it up to him.

[Guy Incognito]

i would argue that losing alonso has been a bigger problem for you than us losing ronaldo. i know its not that straightforward a comparison, i just think its affected liverpool more, and its affected gerards game for definite as well whereas rooney has stepped it up a gear.

i'm not having a pop here i just think he made you tick and although its virtually the same team as last season that one omission was massive.


freeb, you totally nailed our form there, but we are still working hard and there are flashes. we lack stability at the back and i think that stops us playing a bit more free flowing.

[Drederick Tatum]

what do you Man Utd fans think about the Glazers loading the club with debt, paying themselves management fees, and now possibly selling the clubs training ground to themselves?

that mob are a disgrace if you ask me.

[Guy Incognito]

what do you Man Utd fans think about the Glazers loading the club with debt, paying themselves management fees, and now possibly selling the clubs training ground to themselves?

that mob are a disgrace if you ask me.

couldnt agree more but unless EVERYONE boycotts the games and doesnt buy any shirts etc then i dont know how we can put pressure on them to go. I'm not a finance expert and got a bit blinded by the figures yesterday but its not good. my only hope is that they stick it up for sale to try and make some more money and somebody less unsavoury buys us. Its terrible but i dont see another way out of it

[Freebasser]

Yeah, I never wanted us to be bought out in the first place. We were operating just fine, and I liked being a club who'd worked hard for success rather than have a Russian billionaire jump in and save us.

Now though, I think unless somebody who can afford to buy the club outright does so, we are going to go down the shitter within 10 years. We're operating at a loss if you ignore the sale of Ronaldo, despite winning the league, league cup, club winners cup and finishing as runners up in the CL. the interest is insane.

That is of course, if the Glazers want to sell, which I doubt very much they well, seeing as they're intent on holding on to Tampa Bay Buccaneers until it's dead and buried.

:(

[camo]

what do you Man Utd fans think about the Glazers loading the club with debt, paying themselves management fees, and now possibly selling the clubs training ground to themselves?

that mob are a disgrace if you ask me.

This (http://www.fc-utd.co.uk/) is what we think.

[Drederick Tatum]

This (http://www.fc-utd.co.uk/) is what we think.

versus Bradford Park Avenue this weekend. massive game.

[Planetary]

FC United of Manchester was a kop out if you ask me. obviously these fans didn't love their club that much.

To me it just looks like running at the first sign of trouble.

[camo]

versus Bradford Park Avenue this weekend. massive game.

huge.


FC United of Manchester was a kop out if you ask me. obviously these fans didn't love their club that much.

To me it just looks like running at the first sign of trouble.

Really? I just saw it as a passionate stance.

[Planetary]

Really? I just saw it as a passionate stance.

ha, yeah i've been called on that opinion before.

But i mean, it wasn't like Utd fans had suffered many hardships until that point was it?

[camo]

ha, yeah i've been called on that opinion before.

But i mean, it wasn't like Utd fans had suffered many hardships until that point was it?

I see what you mean but ask any united fan (we're like rat's - you're always within 2ft of one) and they'll tell you how those 3-4 defeats a season feel. We're always crushed under the massive expectation of a win for every single game. So not really a hardship as such, but a different kind of suffering.

[Freebasser]

I personally never expect to win any game. I've seen too many losses to teams like Southampton over the years to expect a guaranteed win against anybody.

A guy in my office said "We'll easy (sic) beat Burnley about... 6-0. What do you reckon?" to which I replied "I'd be happy with three points considering the fact that they beat us last time".

[Guy Incognito]

I personally never expect to win any game. I've seen too many losses to teams like Southampton over the years to expect a guaranteed win against anybody.

A guy in my office said "We'll easy (sic) beat Burnley about... 6-0. What do you reckon?" to which I replied "I'd be happy with three points considering the fact that they beat us last time".

damn right - could be a tough game, they have a new manager to impress.

in other news, i havent got any links but have you seen adebayor giving an interview about the shootings in AN ARSENAL SHIRT! Jesus, city fans at wrok were fuming!

[rirv]

damn right - could be a tough game, they have a new manager to impress.

in other news, i havent got any links but have you seen adebayor giving an interview about the shootings in AN ARSENAL SHIRT! Jesus, city fans at wrok were fuming!

I reckon he'd gone home Togo and he hadn't kitted his wardrobe out with some of his Man City stash, so just threw on an old Arsenal polo that was lying around and got collared unexpectedly for an interview.

[Guy Incognito]

I reckon he'd gone home Togo and he hadn't kitted his wardrobe out with some of his Man City stash, so just threw on an old Arsenal polo that was lying around and got collared unexpectedly for an interview.

he's a fucking idiot, i dont care how he's done it, he gets paid a fucking fortune to be a professional footballer for his club and thats some disrespect. even tho it is city, its not right. fair enough his head might not be right at the minute but still he should have known that wasnt going to go down well

[Drederick Tatum]

who cares what kinda of shirt he's wearing. he's just had a near death experience.

[Guy Incognito]

who cares what kinda of shirt he's wearing. he's just had a near death experience.

i did say that he might not be in the right place but come on, whats he still doing with arsenal shirts. he obviosuly had them before the shooting, why? give em to charity, put them in the bin, be professional, be loyal to your club. if he gave it the large at the eastlands when he scores against them and obviously vented why is he still keeping their stuff. very strange

[Drederick Tatum]

"At the moment I can't eat, I am losing weight....my personal press officer died in my hands, that is the worst image I have had in my life. He passed away in my hands. It is very difficult." (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/13/emmanuel-adebayor-ill-terror-togo)

the stuff was probably just lying around at home. he clearly couldn't care less what shirt he's wears. calling him a fucking idiot and worrying about the disrespect he showing to Man City is a bit much.

any Man City fans freaking out about his 'choice' of wardrobe need to reassess their priorities in life.

[Guy Incognito]

"At the moment I can't eat, I am losing weight....my personal press officer died in my hands, that is the worst image I have had in my life. He passed away in my hands. It is very difficult." (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jan/13/emmanuel-adebayor-ill-terror-togo)

the stuff was probably just lying around at home. he clearly couldn't care less what shirt he's wears. calling him a fucking idiot and worrying about the disrespect he showing to Man City is a bit much.

any Man City fans freaking out about his 'choice' of wardrobe need to reassess their priorities in life.

well when you put it like that, maybe i was a bit strong so if i offended you then apologies. its still an error to have them shirts before all this happenedthough but i'm not gonna say anymore on the matter

[camo]

who cares what kinda of shirt he's wearing. he's just had a near death experience.

Apparently he ran the length of the bus to celebrate in front of the gunners.

[Drederick Tatum]

I'm not offended at all, just bewildered as to how this trivial matter is apparently important in the midst of such tragic carnage.

[Drederick Tatum]

Apparently he ran the length of the bus to celebrate in front of the gunners.

I'm not so self-righteous that I can't laugh at this.

[camo]

I'm not offended at all, just bewildered as to how this trivial matter is apparently important in the midst of such tragic carnage.

one word mate. Passion.

[Guy Incognito]

Apparently he ran the length of the bus to celebrate in front of the gunners.

haha


I'm not offended at all, just bewildered as to how this trivial matter is apparently important in the midst of such tragic carnage.

i suppose its cos his reputation as a bit of a mercenary and doing some silly things means every possible contentious thing is magnified and i imagine the city fans maybe werent aware of the full facts but i understand they are pissed off when the club backs him and offers support ,time and understanding and then he turns up in his old clubs shirt, surely you have to see that.

[camo]

Imagine your girlfriend wearing some of her ex's old clothes.

[Guy Incognito]

its looking like a three horse race again. good win for united but burnley had their chances. chelsea were awesome and ashley cole's goal was top drawer. i guess the difference between chelsea and united this season can be summed up by their home performances against sunderland. we scraped a 2-2 draw and sunderland managed 2 goals at the bridge and conceded 7 and drogba wasnt even in the country. ominous.
that said, i think fergie's doing a great job keeping us in touch given all the financial shenanigans. what the fuck is going on at all, apparently fans were chucked out on saturday for anti glazer banners and songs. if thats true its not on.

oh, and this was the best bit of football i have seen for a while and its even better that it was against craig bellamy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j422YPsNOIY

[roosta]

C E S C

[rirv]

I literally cannot believe how Liverpool are only four points off fourth place considering we are the worst team that has ever played in the premier league.

[Freebasser]

I noticed that earlier today. It's getting a bit bunched up around that part of the table now.

I bet Villa are kicking themselves tonight.

[roosta]

Villa missed a huge opportunity today.

I'm really rooting for them for 4th, ahead of City and Spurs. The thought of either of them in Europe sickens me.

[rirv]

I'm rooting for Liverpool to finish 4th myself.

[Guy Incognito]

I'm rooting for Liverpool to finish 4th myself.

I know its only january but the game against spurs on wednesday is ENORMOUS for you lot.and for spurs. i think the race for 4th will go all the way to last game but its a big game in terms of the race. i personally wouldnt rule any team up to everton at the minute cos its tight as fuck for 4th.

[rirv]

Guy, you're being a bit narrow minded. Man U have a good shot a fourth place too ;)

[Freebasser]

I'm not one for complaining about refereeing decisions, as I believe you get as many in your favour as you do against you, but Mike Dean was fucking shocking tonight.

That was never a penalty, Tevez almost snapped Wes Brown's leg in half, and Bellamy tried to clothesline Valencia right in front of Dean's eyes and managed to escape not only scott-free, but Dean even managed to raise a smile.

To show that I'm not biased, Carrick should also have had a booking for a cynical kick that went unpunished. I'm not a happy chappy though - City only really played football for about 15-20 minutes of the match yet still won, Tevez continued to show his disrespect for United fans (you know - the ones he respects so much for supporting him while at United) and Evra (why hasn't he got a nickname like 'Cpt. Fantastic' or 'Sgt. Kickass' yet is beyond me) got a lighter thrown at him by a pillock in a Mancini scarf.

:/

[checkyourprez]

I'm not one for complaining about refereeing decisions, as I believe you get as many in your favour as you do against you, but Mike Dean was fucking shocking tonight.

That was never a penalty, Tevez almost snapped Wes Brown's leg in half, and Bellamy tried to clothesline Valencia right in front of Dean's eyes and managed to escape not only scott-free, but Dean even managed to raise a smile.

To show that I'm not biased, Carrick should also have had a booking for a cynical kick that went unpunished. I'm not a happy chappy though - City only really played football for about 15-20 minutes of the match yet still won, Tevez continued to show his disrespect for United fans (you know - the ones he respects so much for supporting him while at United) and Evra (why hasn't he got a nickname like 'Cpt. Fantastic' or 'Sgt. Kickass' yet is beyond me) got a lighter thrown at him by a pillock in a Mancini scarf.

:/


good. tevez is a beast and got got dicked by sir alex. the fans suck alexs cock, aka they are an extention of him and deserved to get double dicked by the scarred argentine.

[Freebasser]

I think you'll find most of us never wanted Tevez to leave in the first place.

Stop being a cunt.

[checkyourprez]

I think you'll find most of us never wanted Tevez to leave in the first place.

Stop being a cunt.

its too late to hop back on his dick now freeB.


he didnt even get a fair shake when he was there, always got dogged.


now hes really showing what hes got, been straight crushing the past bunch of weeks. but i mean it was obvious it was there the whole time, which is why i was puzzled that sir alex didnt play him more.

but anyways, shit happens tevez felt slighted. what do you want him to do run right up to sir alex and whip his dick out?

[rirv]

Watching as a neutral I thought City deserved their win as they worked hard and defended harder. With Tevez and Bellamy running around like Haile Gabre Selassie (ie non-stop) Man U couldn't rest.

With regards to the refereeing: on first glance the penalty offence looked like it happened in the box. It's only when fans and pundits get to watch replay after replay that the referee gets slated.

[roosta]

It must be in a Manchester City contract that when you play against a former club and score you have to act like a complete cunt in front of their fans.

I guarantee you however, that should Patrick Vieira ever score against the Arse whilst in a City shirt he will do nothing of the sort.

[camo]

good. tevez is a beast and got got dicked by sir alex. the fans suck alexs cock, aka they are an extention of him and deserved to get double dicked by the scarred argentine.

He got dicked by his agent for out pricing him. Fergie has said that he won't be making any 30 million+ signings in the near future and we all know the reason behind that *cough Glazier cough*.

The only thing getting 'dicked on' is you and your tiny mind by stereotypically being anti Man United at every given chance.

Seriously mate, you sound like a right tool at times.

[Planetary]

I'm not a Utd fan by Carlos Tevez has turned into a little CUNT since leaving there.

the mouthing off thing to the fans yesterday, and little jiggle thing he does with that grin on his stupid little face.

And i hate how every single biased pundit never takes their nose out of his arse. Every touch he makes they shower him with praise, it's disgusting frankly. A lower profile even in the same league who does something similar doesn't get a mention. Every top player/club in the league gets the same treatment, but at the moment no one will shut up about Carlos Tevez and i hate him, them, and the premier league for it.

[checkyourprez]

tevez is a beast man.

single handily saved a team from religation. (whom the fans showed him love and he showed it back when he went back there in his man u kit)

wins a champs league for man u.

then was regularly not being a first team choice at man u. good players arent happy when they arent playing. and that soured him on the team and alex some.

man city was willing to pay more and got their man. with all that money coming in from ronaldo they could have spent a decent chunk on tevez. if they needed more they could have sold some dead weight like nani, or even berba. i am sure any man u fan would rather have tevez than berb at this point in time.

[Guy Incognito]

tevez is a beast man.

single handily saved a team from religation. (whom the fans showed him love and he showed it back when he went back there in his man u kit)

wins a champs league for man u.

then was regularly not being a first team choice at man u. good players arent happy when they arent playing. and that soured him on the team and alex some.

man city was willing to pay more and got their man. with all that money coming in from ronaldo they could have spent a decent chunk on tevez. if they needed more they could have sold some dead weight like nani, or even berba. i am sure any man u fan would rather have tevez than berb at this point in time.


yeah i seem to remember tevez being the only one who was involved in that CL campaign:rolleyes: do me a favour.

look, the fans loved him, he had good relationship with the players (maybe not gary neville judging by last nights middle finger) and the club moved hell and high water to get him in. Its pretty obvious that we couldnt fucking afford him, well we could if the glazers werent skimming it off the top and thats why he had to go. City are going to end up paying around 46 million for him with all the clauses so fair do's to them but we are potless. i dont see why he's got such a grudge about it. sure he didnt feature a lot last season but i think he obviously saw his arse a bit and that never goes down well with fergie.

[Drederick Tatum]

cyp, when your opinion is needed in this thread you'll be called on. until then, refrain from posting.

[Guy Incognito]

. i am sure any man u fan would rather have tevez than berb at this point in time.

no

[rirv]

Dirk Kuyt hooooooooooooooooooooo!

[rirv]

cyp, when your opinion is needed in this thread you'll be called on. until then, refrain from posting.

I imagine that this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2d-QrnFgA) is how cyp thinks about football in his head.

[checkyourprez]

cyp, when your opinion is needed in this thread you'll be called on. until then, refrain from posting.

hush up drederick my boy. i give a non biased opinion on the epl. its needed for fair and balanced commentary.

no

no? i love berbas skill set and his approach to the game, but he just isnt executing even close to what tevez is doing this year. and frankly has been a major disappointment in a red kit.

debt appears to be growing for glazers (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/england/2010/01/20/1753771/manchester-united-parent-company-reveals-716m-debt). even selling c.ron, winning a cl, getting to the final, and not buying tevez they are still having money problems. not a good sign.

[roosta]

Top O' The League.

[camo]

I imagine that this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2d-QrnFgA) is how cyp thinks about football in his head.

Release the Kraken!

[rirv]

Top O' The League.

I'm going with my Arsenal supporting mate to the Stoke game on Sunday. They'd better put on a similar show as they did this evening.

[Drederick Tatum]

Top O' The League.

yep and all without a striker who can strike. Eduardo has been poor. credit to Wenger, but I'd love a solid buy to calm my nerves.

some big tests coming up though. fixtures list would seem to show this as a critical time in the season.

[Drederick Tatum]

how the mighty have fallen. now Dirk Kuyt is taking penalties. it's like a centre back taking free kicks.

good job though to stick it to spurs. what a joke of a club. Redknapp is loose with everyone else's money but his own.

[Planetary]

I'm going with my Arsenal supporting mate to the Stoke game on Sunday. They'd better put on a similar show as they did this evening.

i got offered a ticket to this and was going to go but realised that, even though its only 20 minutes away on the train, i'd rather not be in Stoke.

Horrible place (y)

I also thought i'd better show my face at the wolves fixture.

[checkyourprez]

how the mighty have fallen. now Dirk Kuyt is taking penalties. it's like a centre back taking free kicks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5NfTTk-F5I&feature=fvw).

good job though to stick it to spurs. what a joke of a club. Redknapp is loose with everyone else's money but his own.

!

[Guy Incognito]

no? i love berbas skill set and his approach to the game, but he just isnt executing even close to what tevez is doing this year. and frankly has been a major disappointment in a red kit.



opinion is divided among the united fans i know, some say he's shit and some say stuff like "he's done stuff that i've only seen cantona do in a red shirt". He's no eric, no one is but he has that similar touch and awareness. sure he could have scored more goals but i think his workrates improved and a lot his little touches and control and passes go unnoticed. Everyone remembers tevez scoring twice against city last year but everyone seems to forget berba set them both up with quality bits of skill. i think we play better when he is in the team. (him and van der sar were the only ever presents in van der sars cleen sheet record last year). him and rooney is a more diverse partnership imo.

[Guy Incognito]

Top O' The League.

fucking scandalous challenge tho by gallas but i dont think it would have made much difference, you would have created plenty more chances to win. going forward you lot are a force

[Drederick Tatum]

!

I'm still trying to decide whether you're supporting my claim or pointing to his freekick as some amazing piece of skill.

[roosta]

yep and all without a striker who can strike. Eduardo has been poor. credit to Wenger, but I'd love a solid buy to calm my nerves.

some big tests coming up though. fixtures list would seem to show this as a critical time in the season.

Yup, Eduardo has lost it. He should be sticking away those chances.

fucking scandalous challenge tho by gallas but i dont think it would have made much difference, you would have created plenty more chances to win. going forward you lot are a force

It was, but like yourself, I don't buy this "turning point" bullshit. That kind of "what if" mentality makes no sense. Definitely a bad tackle.

But, and this is not to defend Gallas, let's remember Taylor sticking his knee on Cesc's neck last week. And the two penalties over the two games the Arse didn't get.

[checkyourprez]

tevez rips neville (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/england/2010/01/21/1755769/manchester-citys-tevez-issues-explosive-attack-against)

[Planetary]

tevez rips neville (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/england/2010/01/21/1755769/manchester-citys-tevez-issues-explosive-attack-against)

Yeah i saw this. I'm not taking sides here but perhaps he should have waited until after the second leg? just to make 100% sure. We all know how much of a twat Gary Neville is, and its going to be twice as bad if Utd end up winning the tie haha.

If none of that was aimed at the fans/ferguson then i suppose it's a good thing, if it's true.

[roosta]

He's got a point.

[Guy Incognito]

went to OT first time this season:o and enjoyed myself. 4-0 flattered us a bit well, no, hull were shit and we should have buried them first half and it took us ages to get that second goal.

oodles of green and gold scarves although i still dont fully understand what wearing the original colours is going to achieve. i understand the idea i just am at a loss as how supporters can win this one. but its good that somethings got going. loads of songs that were anti glazer and security getting all arsey with banners etc. basically any song that was anti scouser was used with "glazer" used instead

Nice avatar freebasser, i would just like to say i am behind all this anti glazer stuff but it seems a very difficult fight to win

oh yeah , top of the league(y)

[paul jones]

United's soul is never sold
So proudly wear that green and gold
We'll never wear our famous Red
'Til Glazer's gone or even dead
So raise that ancient standard high
By green and gold we'll live or die
That day will come again for sure
When we can wear our Red once more

[Freebasser]

Nice one P Jiddy!

Was a good game - was sitting in the East Stand though - so Rooney's 2nd, 3rd and 4th were all in squint-o-vision :<

:):D:):D

[paul jones]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41140000/jpg/_41140019_effigy.jpg

[Guy Incognito]

United's soul is never sold
So proudly wear that green and gold
We'll never wear our famous Red
'Til Glazer's gone or even dead
So raise that ancient standard high
By green and gold we'll live or die
That day will come again for sure
When we can wear our Red once more

nice - saw a lot of people wearing both which struck me as a bit weird. It was good seeing the support it was getting but also sad to see a lot of apathy around.

Nice one P Jiddy!

Was a good game - was sitting in the East Stand though - so Rooney's 2nd, 3rd and 4th were all in squint-o-vision :<

:):D:):D

I was on that side as well, actually got a ticket thru work and experienced corporate hospitality for first time and dont want to again. It left a funny taste in my mouth. Felt a bit guilty being there really Plus everyone in those seats was quiet and in the sit down brigade, I got told to sit down when "stand up if you hate glazers" started.
Plus in top tier of est stand it all kicked off when a few held up pieces of paper with anti glazer message but the stewards couldnt really do much when everyone got up singing around them.

the linesman got took out good style at start of sceond half

[paul jones]

the linesman got took out good style at start of sceond half

the stupid twat should have been paying more attention to the game(y)

[checkyourprez]

come on gooners

[checkyourprez]

nani. wow.


ive always like him, thought he got the short end of the sticka lot there.


but if man u keep letting arshavin have all that space and run at them hes gonna put a couple in no doubt. wes brown is not stopping the sneaky fucking russian.

[checkyourprez]

exceptional 80 yard give and go

[checkyourprez]

turning into an ass raping.

[Guy Incognito]

good performance today with a bit of a wobble at the end.

Valencia is turning out to be a great signing , not only has he done well but its motivated nani to actually start playing really well. tbh we could have been 2 down early on but were pretty solid after that. just hope arsenal can improve and get something against chelsea

[Drederick Tatum]

Wayne Rooney for England.


big game tomorrow. not feeling too confident about Arsenal's chances against Chelsea. they're just too big and too physical. with RVP things would be different.

[camo]

Captain yeah?

Fuck if I was playing with Rooney under his captainship I'd be worried about putting out a a sub par performance for fear of getting it in the ear from him.

I'll be behind you guys tomorrow (lesser of two evils) ;)

[Drederick Tatum]

he'll be captain one day. but there's plenty of leadership in the England camp. I would've skipped Goofy though. he's hardly the most stable.

[camo]

True, but he's bolshy.

[roosta]

Arsenal, you are breaking my heart!

Dominated possession, but couldn't shoot to save their lives, then go caught on the hop. What the hell is goin' on!

Almunia is just pathetic these days, complete collapse.

And Arshavin can fuck off now to whatever club he wants to go to, he doesn't care at all.

[Guy Incognito]

Arsenal, you are breaking my heart!

Dominated possession, but couldn't shoot to save their lives, then go caught on the hop. What the hell is goin' on!

Almunia is just pathetic these days, complete collapse.

And Arshavin can fuck off now to whatever club he wants to go to, he doesn't care at all.

motd did a bit analysis last week about you get hit on the break a lot but maybe thats down to tactics more than players but having said that, wtf has happened to clichy? He was pretty solid but in last two games my boy could have defended better and hes 18 months old.

thought chelsea would win today but as long as we stay within 3 and beat them at OT then we have a belting chance but its gonna be close.

the only other thing i'll say about arsenal is that apart from the mickeys and spurs you have a fairly easy run in now but if you play like you have done last two games then you might get drawn into that battle behind you.

[Planetary]

I actually, seriously hate Kevin Phillips. The man has broken my heart numerous times on the football field. I really thought we were gonna do the bluenose twats at St. Andrews. What a day out it would have been. Atleast we're still only one win off 15th place...

[roosta]

the only other thing i'll say about arsenal is that apart from the mickeys and spurs you have a fairly easy run in now but if you play like you have done last two games then you might get drawn into that battle behind you.

If we play like that against most other teams we'll be fine. It's been working most of the season......

[paul jones]

Dear Adrian Chiles of Match of the day 2 presenting bloke

SHAVE THAT FUCKING VAGINA HAIR OFF YOUR CHUBBY CHOPS!

[Guy Incognito]

If we play like that against most other teams we'll be fine. It's been working most of the season......

against utd you were shit, i watched the chelsea game live on sky but with one eye on me kids and i watched it again on motd2 and i have to say i was a little hasty, if it wasnt for cech you would have been in that game. However, i still think that for all your posession and attacking flair, you are still vulnerable and it only takes a couple of chances and you'll be struggling when you shouldnt be if that makes sense.

[checkyourprez]

what do you blokes think of landon donavon turing everton around?

[roosta]

against utd you were shit, i watched the chelsea game live on sky but with one eye on me kids and i watched it again on motd2 and i have to say i was a little hasty, if it wasnt for cech you would have been in that game. However, i still think that for all your posession and attacking flair, you are still vulnerable and it only takes a couple of chances and you'll be struggling when you shouldnt be if that makes sense.

yeah, but we've played pretty similar to how we played against united againt other teams and won games, something we havn't done in previous seasons.

[Drederick Tatum]

what do you blokes think of landon donavon turing everton around?

I think "turning everton around" is a bit much, but he's definitely had a positive impact. about time he actually played well outside the US, he's had about a decade to show what he can do since he was the best player at the U-17 World Cup. but Everton were a good team before him and they'll be a good team once he's left. David Moyes is a great manager.

[Planetary]

Yeah, i think the likes of Fellaini, Cahill, Heitinga and Pienaar performing as well as the returns of Phil Neville and Mikel Arteta have contributed pretty heavily as well.

He does look a good player though (y)

[checkyourprez]

i know i was jaykay'ing. but hes surprised me even. he is a pacey player, i think hes more suited to the epl than say serie A or la liga. if he were to play good in a league this would be it.

[Drederick Tatum]

86 minutes gone. Everton 2-1 up against Man Utd. Rooney free kick.....

[Drederick Tatum]

jesus, I thought that was in. come on Everton.

[Drederick Tatum]

a Moyes' sub scores again!

Johnny Evans couldn't have given Rodwell more space if he'd tried.

[Drederick Tatum]

what a game. Premier league is great. fuck Serie A

[paul jones]

the scouse bastards deserved it today.Utd didn't go for it at all in the second half.

fuck's sake fergie,sort the cunts out

[roosta]

So, Arsenal, who are complete shite apparently and who have crashed out of the title-race twice already, are two-points behind Manchester United, who are title contenders....

[rirv]

So, Arsenal, who are complete shite apparently and who have crashed out of the title-race twice already, are two-points behind Manchester United, who are title contenders....

Stop reading the press then.

[checkyourprez]

lando donavon leading everton to a smashing defeat of the mighty manchester U

[Guy Incognito]

^ I think everyone in a blue shirt deserves a shout today, they outplayed us massively, wayne had a stinker and we looked bereft of ideas. after the lord mayors show methinks

[Planetary]

wayne had a stinker and we looked bereft of ideas. these two go hand in hand

[Guy Incognito]

we aint a one man team, i though berbs did ok and should have stayed on and rooney should have been subbed but it was v everton so he would have hated that

[Planetary]

we aint a one man team, i though berbs did ok and should have stayed on and rooney should have been subbed but it was v everton so he would have hated that

i wouldnt say you're a one man team but i think a lot of your drive and creativity comes from Wayne Rooney. You aren't incapable of getting results without him but, based on his current form, it's going to be less likely/entertaining.

[Guy Incognito]

i wouldnt say you're a one man team but i think a lot of your drive and creativity comes from Wayne Rooney. You aren't incapable of getting results without him but, based on his current form, it's going to be less likely/entertaining.

sorry man, am getting a lot of jibes from city fans at the minute saying we are a one man band so am bit defensive on that issue, got blues playing imgainary trombones and shit today! but yes you are right, its going to be a grittier perfomance with out wayne

[Drederick Tatum]

haha. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0LeRlP906o)

[Guy Incognito]

haha. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0LeRlP906o)

he missed out terrys mascot as well, thought he might have said something as well

[roosta]

Good man Wayne Bridge.

Also, all the Chelsea fans who boo'ed him are utter cretins.

Great result for ManYoo/The Arse too.

[camo]

I was just about to post that link (y)

[Drederick Tatum]

fuck. Aaron Ramsey is going to be out for a long long time after that tackle. poor kid.

[roosta]

fuck. Aaron Ramsey is going to be out for a long long time after that tackle. poor kid.

yup. the second it happened, and you could see everyone's reaction you knew it was the same as Eduardo.

Great result though. Cesc is a proper captain. Think back to the Birmingham when the team and Captain Gallas lost the plot following Eduardo's injury.

Gutted for Ramsey however. As Wenger points out, is it a coincidence this has happened 3 times to us, and teams constantly talking about "'avin' a go at Arsenal/they don't like it up them". Cunts.

[rirv]

Yes, it is a coincidence.

[Freebasser]

Nobody wants to snap somebody else's leg. Except perhaps Roy Keane.

I haven't seen the incident (much like Wenger 95% of the time, LOL!!1), but I've seen still images from various news sites and Shawcross looks absolutely distraught. People wanted Matty Taylor banned from the game after his tackle on Eduardo, but he was just clumsy - he certainly didn't mean to fuck his leg up. Yes the tackle from Shawcross was probably robust, but so were most of the tackles in the Liverpool/Everton game the other week, yet nobody snapped a limb. It's a freak injury - Henrik Larsson's leg collapsed just from sprinting, remember? (I know nastee does)

Anyway - back to Ramsey/ It's a horrible thing to happen to any footballer, especially so early on in his career. Let's hope he recovers and is match-fit again ASAP (y)

[Freebasser]

P.S. (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/04_01/diabyAI3103_468x449.jpg)

[roosta]

Nobody wants to snap somebody else's leg. Except perhaps Roy Keane.

I haven't seen the incident (much like Wenger 95% of the time, LOL!!1), but I've seen still images from various news sites and Shawcross looks absolutely distraught. People wanted Matty Taylor banned from the game after his tackle on Eduardo, but he was just clumsy - he certainly didn't mean to fuck his leg up. Yes the tackle from Shawcross was probably robust, but so were most of the tackles in the Liverpool/Everton game the other week, yet nobody snapped a limb. It's a freak injury - Henrik Larsson's leg collapsed just from sprinting, remember? (I know nastee does)

Anyway - back to Ramsey/ It's a horrible thing to happen to any footballer, especially so early on in his career. Let's hope he recovers and is match-fit again ASAP (y)

No-one is saying Shawcross intended to do anything. So, that can be dropped now. He was clearly upset, and he clearly didn't mean to break someones leg. That was never claimed.

Its just a general reckless attitude. A "freak" injury that has happened 3 times in 5 years to the same club.

The point thats being made is, is it a coincidence this keeps happening to Arsenal and at the same time players/press constantly go on about "oh, Arsenal don't like it rough" "have a go". What are the consequences of that? Players almost having their careers ended?

I don't for one second think any of the players want this to happen, and alot of it admittedly was Cesc/Wenger being (understandably) upset following a horrific incident, but this attitude that its OK to talk about having "a go" at Arsenal is annoying, specially when shit like this happens.

P.S. (http://www.goalvideoz.com/images/players/4132PaulScholes.jpg)

[rirv]

Three broken legs in five years seems to be pretty normal to me.

Shit, a few years ago two Liverpool players broke their legs in the same match at Ewood Park, and Cisse broke his leg there as well the next season if my memory serves me.

Shit happens, and I think it makes you sound like a paranoid Wenger-bot if you go along the route of saying other teams are "putting it up" Arsenal.

[Guy Incognito]

i only saw the tackle once but it appears ramsey pulled out a splitsecond before shawcross got there and thats why he connected with ramsays leg. basically its one of them. an unfortunate incident, geezer had never been sent off before in his career (and its debatable whether he was going to be until the ref saw ramseys leg). I dont really think its down to teams attitdue against arsenal, its probly more to do with arsenals quick passing style of play and they zip it about and occasionally the opposition dont time tackles right, i really dont think there should be any conspiracies. shit happens. hope ramsey makes a speedy recovery and i hope it doesnt affect shawcross too much especially with the england call up.

[checkyourprez]

No-one is saying Shawcross intended to do anything. So, that can be dropped now. He was clearly upset, and he clearly didn't mean to break someones leg. That was never claimed.

Its just a general reckless attitude. A "freak" injury that has happened 3 times in 5 years to the same club.

The point thats being made is, is it a coincidence this keeps happening to Arsenal and at the same time players/press constantly go on about "oh, Arsenal don't like it rough" "have a go". What are the consequences of that? Players almost having their careers ended?

I don't for one second think any of the players want this to happen, and alot of it admittedly was Cesc/Wenger being (understandably) upset following a horrific incident, but this attitude that its OK to talk about having "a go" at Arsenal is annoying, specially when shit like this happens.

P.S. (http://www.goalvideoz.com/images/players/4132PaulScholes.jpg)

maybe arsenal should toughen up and stop being little fifi men. hit the weights for once and then they wouldnt get their legs broken.


if man city could just get some consistency they would be serious challengers for the title. do well with the big squads but fuck it against the minnows.

[paul jones]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjhbv1UxjjU&feature=popular

Bellamy shows his love for JT

[Guy Incognito]

oh yeah - silverware for utd(y)
but vidic should have least got a yellow for the pen, i know sometimes the argument is that the pen is enough punishment but he gave cards for similar incidents and bottled it cos it was so early on. tough for owen but good goal. good performance by us, berbs played well, park worked his bollocks off,, rooney was class and valenica was fucking brilliant, not only did he set the winner up but he'd just made a last ditch tackle to stop villa scoring(y)

[paul jones]

oh yeah - silverware for utd(y)
but vidic should have least got a yellow for the pen, i know sometimes the argument is that the pen is enough punishment but he gave cards for similar incidents and bottled it cos it was so early on. tough for owen but good goal. good performance by us, berbs played well, park worked his bollocks off,, rooney was class and valenica was fucking brilliant, not only did he set the winner up but he'd just made a last ditch tackle to stop villa scoring(y)

fergie dancing at the end was the best move

[Guy Incognito]

fergie dancing at the end was the best move

(y)

thats what i love the most about fergie, when we score or when we win summat he turns into a 12 year old again, he still buzzes about winning stuff even though he's been there so many times - he doesnt get blase about it ever

[Drederick Tatum]

maybe arsenal should toughen up and stop being little fifi men. hit the weights for once and then they wouldnt get their legs broken.


fantastic punditry. you really know your stuff.

[checkyourprez]

fantastic punditry. you really know your stuff.

sky sports contacted me about working for them. i told them they blow dick and i would appreciate it if they lost my number.

[roosta]

Shit happens, and I think it makes you sound like a paranoid Wenger-bot if you go along the route of saying other teams are "putting it up" Arsenal.

I know that's what it sounds like, maybe i worded it wrong, i wasn't trying to make a direct coralation, its just that when incidents like Saturday happen it grates because of the prevailing attitude, which i don't think is paranoia at all, its well documented. Again, im not saying players are going out of there way to do this, its just annoying hearing this stuff and no one ever calling bull shit on it.

i think the "saying other teams are 'putting it up' Arenal" point is completely valid. No one ever questions players/managers about it when they say it, if anything the media encourage it. I don't care if that makes me sound like a "paranoid wenger-bot" or "a little fi fi man", its the way it is.

maybe arsenal should toughen up and stop being little fifi men. hit the weights for once and then they wouldnt get their legs broken.


Zzzzzzzz.......blah blah blah.

[checkyourprez]

Zzzzzzzz.......blah blah blah.

Arsenal Comment: How Many More Injured Players Will It Take For Arsene Wenger To Toughen Up His Team?

Three season-ending injuries in four years isn’t a coincidence.

That was Arsene Wenger’s verdict following the Stoke City v Arsenal game in which Ryan Shawcross’s high and late tackle left Aaron Ramsey with a double leg fracture reminiscent of Eduardo’s nightmare just two years ago.

The Arsenal boss is probably right, teams are clearly targeting the Gunners with extra physical play. But then, you have to ask, why are the north London side allowing them to get away with it?

If you go into battle waving a sword, when the other side have got guns, you’re bound to get hurt. And that is what Arsenal are currently doing with their lightweight squad.


the rest is there..

http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/england/2010/03/01/1812964/arsenal-comment-how-many-more-injured-players-will-it-take (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/85/england/2010/03/01/1812964/arsenal-comment-how-many-more-injured-players-will-it-take)

arsenal = fifimen.

[Guy Incognito]

ffs

its nothing to do with arsenal being lightweight or attitude towards arsenal, we are dealing with fractions here, a splitsecond either way and these tackles wouldnt cause injuries. none of the tackles deliberated were done with malice, these people were playing football, it happens. sunday league players break legs every week, its an occupational hazard.

wenger was upset and spoke about it when the incident was fresh but i'm not sure he would feel the same way now.

[Drederick Tatum]

these injuries are a result of a tactical philosophy that opposing teams employ when they play Arsenal. Of course Shawcross didn't mean to break Ramsey's leg, but while the tackle wasn't malicious it was totally reckless. footballers are highly trained professionals and under a certain degree of obligation to protect each other by exercising sound judgement in the physical side of the game.

Shawcross failed in this and there's a good chance his decision-making was influenced by a strategy probably mentioned by Pulis before the game and one that is employed by the majority of teams in the Premier League. as for Shawcross being "not that kind of player" and not having a history of this sort of thing, I'm sure Adebayor, who he put out for three weeks, and Francis Jeffers, whose ankle he broke, would disagree.

[Guy Incognito]

these injuries are a result of a tactical philosophy that opposing teams employ when they play Arsenal. Of course Shawcross didn't mean to break Ramsey's leg, but while the tackle wasn't malicious it was totally reckless. footballers are highly trained professionals and under a certain degree of obligation to protect each other by exercising sound judgement in the physical side of the game.

Shawcross failed in this and there's a good chance his decision-making was influenced by a strategy probably mentioned by Pulis before the game and one that is employed by the majority of teams in the Premier League. as for Shawcross being "not that kind of player" and not having a history of this sort of thing, I'm sure Adebayor, who he put out for three weeks, and Francis Jeffers, whose ankle he broke, would disagree.


this whole strategy against arsenal thing is grating on me, if you are saying that stoke are going to be more physical against your team than the rest of the other 18 teams then stoke shouldnt and wouldnt be in the premier league. stoke , in particular are a robust side, who hassle and hurry teams and play direct football.
they are 100% up for every game, they fight tooth and nail in EVERY GAME and thats why they have gained a reputation for being hard to beat despite being favourites for the drop when they came up they havent even been within a sniff of relgation and thats because of their strategy and attitude in all 38 games.
If stoke players or any other team werent up for every game then their managers wouldnt pick them. Its not about saying oh its arsenal, try and break some legs, its about being competiitive.

shawcross is a defender, a relatively inexperienced one and he is going to make mistakes but he doesnt intentionally set out to hurt anyone, if that was the case then capello wouldnt have called him up.
He is going to have to make important and difficult tackles against anyone. I've no idea what ramsey has said about it but i imagine he wont be thinking shawcross was dirty, its just unfortunate.

I just think to say you are being singled out is an insult to the rest of teams in the league. are you saying that teams dont hassle and hurry and fight hard against derby rivals, league champions or relegation rivals? bollocks. Big injuries happen in all those types of games as well. Alan smith broke his leg for united against liverpool, our biggest rivals but you didnt hear anyone pointing fingers.
sure, teams try and stop arsenal's flowing football but they dont do that by deliberatly injuring people.

[Freebasser]

I deiced to not eat and then watch the Shawcross tackle and Ramsay's ankle was bent at an almost unnatural angle as he went into the challenge. Any sudden downward force would've probably fucked his leg. Shawcross didn't even have his studs showing. It was a 50-50 challenge and in no way reckless.

[checkyourprez]

i do think arsenal are a bunch of fifimen who play good footy.


but i also think that those broken legs ankles bones whatever are just shit luck and bad coincidences. injuries are part of sports.

[paul jones]

Well done Capello for saying footballers get too much money too young in the paper today(y)

[roosta]

this whole strategy against arsenal thing is grating on me, if you are saying that stoke are going to be more physical against your team than the rest of the other 18 teams then stoke shouldnt and wouldnt be in the premier league. stoke , in particular are a robust side, who hassle and hurry teams and play direct football.
they are 100% up for every game, they fight tooth and nail in EVERY GAME and thats why they have gained a reputation for being hard to beat despite being favourites for the drop when they came up they havent even been within a sniff of relgation and thats because of their strategy and attitude in all 38 games.
If stoke players or any other team werent up for every game then their managers wouldnt pick them. Its not about saying oh its arsenal, try and break some legs, its about being competiitive.

The point is players and managers have gone on record to say that the do intentionally rough-it-up against Arsenal. This is what grates Arsenal fans, its never mentioned and then shit like this happens to our players. What are we supposed to think?

shawcross is a defender, a relatively inexperienced one and he is going to make mistakes but he doesnt intentionally set out to hurt anyone, if that was the case then capello wouldnt have called him up.
He is going to have to make important and difficult tackles against anyone. I've no idea what ramsey has said about it but i imagine he wont be thinking shawcross was dirty, its just unfortunate.

Not many people are saying Shawcross did it intentionally. But we could get into a whole philosophical debate about 'intent'

I just think to say you are being singled out is an insult to the rest of teams in the league. are you saying that teams dont hassle and hurry and fight hard against derby rivals, league champions or relegation rivals? bollocks. Big injuries happen in all those types of games as well. Alan smith broke his leg for united against liverpool, our biggest rivals but you didnt hear anyone pointing fingers.
sure, teams try and stop arsenal's flowing football but they dont do that by deliberatly injuring people.

Again, players/managers/pundits have SAID they do intentionally single out Arsenal for rough treatment. The 'they-dont-like-it-up-them' attitude was spouted by them.

I have to be clear here, I don't think there is a giant conspiracy, nor do I think players are intentionally trying to injure Arsenal players, but they do play rougher against Arsenal due to this perceived inability to cope with it.

Couple this with these persistent horrific injuries and that is where Arsenal are coming from, its just annoying is all.

The other annoying thing about this whole situation is the "oh, we hope Ryan will recover" attitude. I honestly do feel sympathy for him, as yes, he didn't intentionally try to break someones leg, but Jesus, he's getting more sympathy than Ramsay. People coming out of the wood-work to defend him. 'He's not that type of lad'. etc. etc. No ones talking about Rambo's career recovering. (http://www.dangerhere.com/shawcross-and-ramsey-an-interesting-study-into-the-emotions-of-the-uk-football-family/)

Put it this way, if that had been a French or Portugeuse player and they did it to Rooney what would the reaction have been?

I guess I can't word this without sounding like a paranoid Wenger-bot fifiman, but its the best I can do. Moving on.

[Guy Incognito]

The point is players and managers have gone on record to say that the do intentionally rough-it-up against Arsenal. This is what grates Arsenal fans, its never mentioned and then shit like this happens to our players. What are we supposed to think?



Not many people are saying Shawcross did it intentionally. But we could get into a whole philosophical debate about 'intent'



Again, players/managers/pundits have SAID they do intentionally single out Arsenal for rough treatment. The 'they-dont-like-it-up-them' attitude was spouted by them.

I have to be clear here, I don't think there is a giant conspiracy, nor do I think players are intentionally trying to injure Arsenal players, but they do play rougher against Arsenal due to this perceived inability to cope with it.

Couple this with these persistent horrific injuries and that is where Arsenal are coming from, its just annoying is all.

The other annoying thing about this whole situation is the "oh, we hope Ryan will recover" attitude. I honestly do feel sympathy for him, as yes, he didn't intentionally try to break someones leg, but Jesus, he's getting more sympathy than Ramsay. People coming out of the wood-work to defend him. 'He's not that type of lad'. etc. etc. No ones talking about Rambo's career recovering. (http://www.dangerhere.com/shawcross-and-ramsey-an-interesting-study-into-the-emotions-of-the-uk-football-family/)

Put it this way, if that had been a French or Portugeuse player and they did it to Rooney what would the reaction have been?

I guess I can't word this without sounding like a paranoid Wenger-bot fifiman, but its the best I can do. Moving on.

Ok, it wasnt a malicious tackle, if by "roughing you up", you mean hassling harrying and gettin up in your grill, again that is being competetive and you are not in an exclusive club of one when it comes to that tactic being employed, if roughing up isnt tackling maliciously or violent behaviour, then its just competitive behaviour.
if there is an attitude against you then you should take it as a compliment that teams are trying to stop you winning by being competitive. I think you guys have been spoilt under wenger with attractive graceful football and you think that because you play the game like that then everyone should. There is more than one way to skin a cat and instead of complaining you as supporters, players and managers should strap on a pair and deal with it. Arsenal under George graham were very combatitive and players like Adams, dixon, viera even put themselves about and you didnt complain then.

I think its more a ploy to make players think twice about challenges in games against you by wenger to be honest.

And if we are talking about malicious challenges, lets talk about gallas on mark davis v bolton this season, that was a fucking shocker.

And as far as players/managers and pundits have SAID this then prove it and i'll shut up. But tbh i think managers would say its being competitive and to state that because jamie redknapp or whoever says it doesnt mean its right.

If this did happen to wayne i would be upset but by the nature of waynes game i'd take it on the chin, i'm surprised he doesnt get clobbered more but i certainly wouldnt accuse anyone of deliberatly trying to take him out

Roosta, you are one of the most knowledgable, eloquent and sensible posters in this thread but i think you need to back up some of the stuff you have said with some evidence.

[roosta]

Ok, it wasnt a malicious tackle, if by "roughing you up", you mean hassling harrying and gettin up in your grill, again that is being competetive and you are not in an exclusive club of one when it comes to that tactic being employed, if roughing up isnt tackling maliciously or violent behaviour, then its just competitive behaviour.
if there is an attitude against you then you should take it as a compliment that teams are trying to stop you winning by being competitive. I think you guys have been spoilt under wenger with attractive graceful football and you think that because you play the game like that then everyone should. There is more than one way to skin a cat and instead of complaining you as supporters, players and managers should strap on a pair and deal with it. Arsenal under George graham were very combatitive and players like Adams, dixon, viera even put themselves about and you didnt complain then.

I think its more a ploy to make players think twice about challenges in games against you by wenger to be honest.

And if we are talking about malicious challenges, lets talk about gallas on mark davis v bolton this season, that was a fucking shocker.

And as far as players/managers and pundits have SAID this then prove it and i'll shut up. But tbh i think managers would say its being competitive and to state that because jamie redknapp or whoever says it doesnt mean its right.

If this did happen to wayne i would be upset but by the nature of waynes game i'd take it on the chin, i'm surprised he doesn't get clobbered more but i certainly wouldn't accuse anyone of deliberately trying to take him out

Roosta, you are one of the most knowledgeable, eloquent and sensible posters in this thread but i think you need to back up some of the stuff you have said with some evidence.

Kevin Nolan
“I have never seen anybody as quick as Theo Walcott in my life,” said Nolan. “I said to Jlloyd Samuel ‘Give him a little kick and see if he comes back at you!’

“At the end of the day, it is a physical sport. We don’t want to be like basketballers. We are in the gym four or five days a week to build ourselves up to try to stand up to challenges like that.

“We are in danger of losing that side — the roughing up of people.”

Kevin Nolan told Bolton Players to 'rough up' Theo Walcott. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/arsenal/3065255/Kevin-Nolan-told-Bolton-players-to-rough-up-Arsenals-Theo-Walcott-Football.html)

Ricardo Fuller:

"The Britannia is like a fortress and if we play to our strengths I don't think Arsenal can deal with the aggressive play.

It's been proved in the past that Chelsea and Bolton Wanderers have roughed them up and tried to bully them."

Link (http://www.goal.com/en-india/news/2172/fa-cup/2010/01/22/1756065/ricardo-fuller-warns-arsenal-to-expect-a-rough-and)

As you say, I guess this all comes down to what you mean by rough-it-up and bully. On one hand it can simply mean a hard, battling style. Nothing wrong with that. On the other it can be code for "kick them around". I guess it makes me a fifiman, but I'm not really a fan of players admitting "to beat this team we need to cheat". Because that's what kicking players is.

If you can't beat them, kick them.

Now, I KNOW, its not basketball, its not a non-contact sport, its a mans-game, etc. etc. That's fine.

I must not be able to explain it properly as people are taking me up completely wrong. For one,I'm not saying (and have never said) Arsenal do not make rough tackles.

It's commonly thought amongst Arsenal fans that we need a return (in part) to our earlier, battling spirit. In particular a Vieira-type. Hopefully we got something of that in Alex Song (who has racked up 10 yellows this season, the last against Stoke completely unfair, but whatever, he was gonna pick one up at some stage). I, and no Arsenal fans I know, think Arsenal should be allowed prance around like fifimen (whatever the fuck that is) without being tackled. I don't think I implied that, but maybe I did.

The point was that people have said (like Mr. Fuller for instance) that it is a legitimate tactic to be rough against Arsenal. At the same time 3 players have had horrible, horrible injuries inflicted via tackling in the past 4 years.

I agree that Correlation does not imply causation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation).. No ones saying that each individual case is a case of a player consciously deciding to hurt someone, but there is a culture/mind-set and there is a string of horrible injuries.

[Guy Incognito]

nice post, well researched. i'll be good to my word and shut up. lets let this one slide cos i dont think i will ever fully agree.

nice to see an olive branch from stoke though today

[Drederick Tatum]

anyone got any opinions on this recent offer for Man Utd. I personally would love to see the Glazers shown the door.

[Guy Incognito]

anyone got any opinions on this recent offer for Man Utd. I personally would love to see the Glazers shown the door.

fucking loads. a mate of mine is on the MUST committee respsonsible for green and gold and other stuff so am getting a really good insight into it all.

The offer has been made by a consortium of MUST members (rich ones) and they have asked for people to join MUST (www.joinMUST.org) to really show the level of support and they have doubled their membership in a week to 100,000 members. I think it is going to happen, its going to take time , but the means are there to make the bid, its about drumming up enough anti glazer support as possible so it starts to have an effect on all the sponsors which could start to hit the glazers pocket and thats all those cunts are interested in. So its about timing. Its not going to go away until they go.

[Planetary]

i cant go to utd at home on saturday because i have to work. didnt pay stupid money for a season ticket so i could work instead. bullshit

[roosta]

why do people think these capitalists will be better for the club then the current capitalists?

[Freebasser]

They won't, but hopefully they might be able to drum up enough money (without loans) to at least make us self-sufficient again.

[roosta]

Glazer's may force Red Knight dude from Goldman Sachs (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/mar/04/jim-oneill-goldman-sachs-red-knights)

Which may be a good thing if you are a Man Utd fan, because Goldman Sachs are proper evil. You don't want them near your club.

[Guy Incognito]

^ Jim O Neill has made it very clear that this has nothing to do with GS, he has been very adamant about that and has dissuaded GS on getting involved at all apparently

MUST has been involved from the outset here and part of the plan is to get MUST some sort of stake in the club if buyout is successful which is why there has been such a drive in membership.
Its been a very fast but very well thought out campaign, considering the first suggestion at the first extraordinary meeting was" lets get down the megastore and trash the place" its grown into an intelligent campaign very quickly. also Blue State Digital who helped with Obamas campaign are now involved

the article in todays guardian says fergie has dismissed the campaign but this doesnt sound like it to me:

I have no issue with the Red Knights. I know some of them. I don't deny them their right to protest. If they want to try and buy the club that is entirely up to them."

[rirv]

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[Drederick Tatum]

I think we've all moved on.

[Planetary]

Any of you Utd fans fancy a ticket for the match tonight at Molineux? I cant go because im working, it's in the wolves end though.

[paul jones]

Any of you Utd fans fancy a ticket for the match tonight at Molineux? I cant go because im working, it's in the wolves end though.

I would have gone if you offered a helicopter ride to and from the ground .I used to watch Arsenal v Man Utd games in the North Bank at Highbury in the 80's as it was easier back then.Easy as in walk up to the ground and pay £5 cash to get in.I would have had to travel to old trafford to queue for away tickets.This was in the glory days of standing terraces and queing up to get in on the day.The only game I never got into was Southampton v Man Utd as the away end was jam packed by the time I got there but I wasn't alone.There was about 5000 other Utd locked outside.

[Freebasser]

Fuck - I'd have gone if I'd seen this earlier. It's only a 50 minute train ride away.

Cocksticks :(

[paul jones]

Fuck - I'd have gone if I'd seen this earlier. It's only a 50 minute train ride away.

Cocksticks :(

it's on ESPN so find a pub showing it

[Drederick Tatum]

Bendtner is so shit. with a decent centre forward we'd be 7-0 up, instead it's 1-1. I hate that Danish bastard so much.

[paul jones]

Bendtner is so shit. with a decent centre forward we'd be 7-0 up, instead it's 1-1. I hate that Danish bastard so much.

He's not even Premier league standard.